It just annoys me how they are lauded as the best thing since sliced bread. I wish magazines/social media wasnt constantly jerking this band off

Album Rating: 2.5

I'm no where near a huge ST fan, but I think the extreme hate the band gets is laughable. I'm not sure there is another band that receives this level of genuine vitriol in the modern era. Like. The music might be bland in many respects and uninspired in many others, but like, it's not so bad that people should be actively declaring them the worst band on the planet. And as far as ST fans go, do people forget that TOOL fans exist? K-Pop fans? They're bad, but let's not act like they're the worst the music industry has ever seen.



Anyway. I think they're entirely fine. I haven't finished the album, but I'll probably end up giving it a 2.5 or 3 based on what I've heard so far.



I think their biggest triumph -- and one that seems to be overlooked consistently -- is incorporating some rather grating metal tropes (black metal vocals, blast beats, breakdowns, etc) into what is essentially pop music in a way that is palatable at a mainstream level. If ST gets even one kid to go "I wonder what other bands do similar things to the heavy parts of ST" and they go on to listen to Deafheaven or State Faults or Ulcerate or [insert lauded band here], I think that's an absolute win for the scene. ST should be praised being a mainstream gateway to metal that doesn't really exist nowadays, at least not with the reach and size of fanbase that ST has had in the past three-ish years.

Album Rating: 1.0

TOOL sucks too

The hyperbole around the entire band is ridiculous both ways. Bands good for entry stuff

Album Rating: 4.0

The cool thing about this band though is that yes the songs can be kinda long and drawn out and a little bland in chunks, but just around the time I start to tune out, they change up and may be kinda heavy or do something interesting to bring me back to the music. Clearly it’s not a perfect album, but it’s far from what it’s being made out to be. I’m finding myself being brought back to certain songs like Windward, Gethsemane, and Infinite Baths. Really love the last half of Infinite Baths. I feel like this is gonna grow on me as well. But I’ve just honestly learned that you just gotta like music for your own peace and enjoyment. If a large number of people jump on a hate train for someone, it’s not like you gotta immediately hate it. If you like it then you like it, you should enjoy it, and rate it how you want. I moved my rating up. Probably will do it again at some point

Album Rating: 3.5

BrushedRed speaks sense. This really isn't as bad as it's made out to be.

Album Rating: 1.0

"I'm occasionally jostled from almost falling asleep to this boring ass shit by a terrible imitation of bad modern metal bands. 3.0"



Ah yes.

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

I get the hate for this band. The vocals are the definition of marmite. I used to hate them and I still don't like Sundowning and TPWBYT much. They where too simplistic in structures and had very predictable and boring formulas to every song. Plus, sometimes the songs didn't have heavy parts whatsoever, which led to a wildly inconsistent experience.

I am ambivelant to the bands music, i am annoyed by the hyperbole of the band being good or bad, i despise Vessels lyrics

Album Rating: 3.0

I have no problem with the lyrics.



Because English isn't my first language, I can't understand them from hearing and I don't bother reading them.

Album Rating: 1.0

bands the equivalent of high schoolers who think they are edgy with daddys money. trash band in every way

Album Rating: 4.5

This is probably my 2nd favorite ST album behind TPWBYT. Feels fairly focused and cohesive. Lot of nice moments.



I only got into this band recently, when Emergence came out. The morning it was released, I had a dream that I was watching myself sleep, and a cloaked figure wearing a mask appeared over me, and said, "It's time to wake up." Now, that's probably a coincidence, and influenced by the fact that I'd recently seen Mulholland Drive. But I loved the song.



Something about their music resonates very strongly with me. Even though they're only prog/djent in a loose sense. Even though I wish they went crazier with their arrangements and genre-blending/mashing. They have the components for it, but don't utilize them to their full potential, just place them next to each other. But I'm not adverse to liking pop now and then. And as far as pop goes, ST is fairly unique and eclectic. Vessel at least writes his own lyrics, and I find them interesting and delivered well. And II is a good drummer.



I get that their music might not appeal to a lot of people, but the immense amount of hatred this band gets borders on comical to me. There is so much music out there that is more uninspired, unoriginal, bland, and insipid than ST is at their least creative and most commercial (I'm personally not a fan of the whole worship/cult thing, and I didn't listen to the band when I first heard about them because of the masks/anonymity gimmick). But those aspects belie the quality of the music for me. And if it gets more people into metal through pop, I'm all for it. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's metal gatekeeping.

Album Rating: 1.5

My brother in christ, they use shitty trap segments, lame ass lyrics and mediocre audio effects and their fans wank them off like there's no tomorrow. Listen to Assassination of Julius Caesar by Ulver to see some really good Dark Pop

Hey more ghostie users WELCOME PLEASE TALK MORE !!

@Shewatchedthesky your name reminded me of Agallochs "she painted fire across the skyline" so thanks

Hate it, love it im jyst glad to see new folks or quiet (bat people iykyk) people showing up

Album Rating: 4.5

It blows my mind that even though the majority of Sputnik hates this band, this album review is on page 23. Love it or hate it, people are talking about it consistently. It’s not my favorite album by them, but it has some amazing moments.

My opinion is that I’ve seen the band praised for its originality and uniqueness yet they feel like such a cookie cutter band where each song is a spattering of ideas that create juxtaposition for the sake of it but just isn’t appealing to me.

"Like I've said many times before, I get the hate this band gets, but to a point. I can certainly justify lots of criticism regarding dumb/cringeworthy stuff they do, but it truly gets to a point where it is childish lmao. Objectively, the music isn't that bad, regardless of what the singer yaps about or not."

AMEN

I mean at some point bad is relative.

You can have straight up bad music (random notes on an instrument with zero melody), but you can also take a bunch of independently good musical ideas, smash them together, and the collective product is just bad.

I love pizza and love ice cream, I don’t need pizza flavored ice cream.

I won’t rate this a 1, and I agree perhaps that the music isolated isn’t bad (vocal melodies have its moments, other pieces, etc) but the net product is a heap of garbage on most songs.

There’s also a fine line between ingeniously fusing differing music genres and expertly creating a new genre/sound in music and also just musicians throwing random musical textures/influences together for the sake of it.