The Smith Street Band More Scared of You Than You Are of Me
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dimsim3478
February 27th 2019


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also worth pointing out that georgia wasnt asking for much to make this right. not something she would have done if she was out to destroy wil.

BlushfulHippocrene
Emeritus
February 27th 2019


4053 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"could wil or the people around him be made to confront this problem or hold wil accountable while it all remained private? unlikely, hence the public revelations."

I'm just not convinced of this; I don't trust this broad group, "the public", to hold a person accountable without prejudice. Wagner is, due to his fame, much more public than most, sure, but I wouldn't condone public shaming with regard to someone I know, so why accept it for someone I don't, simply because he's a public figure? I don't know, though. I'm so conflicted. Georgia brought up the Ryan Adams situation... and I don't think it's even a little bit comparable: there were allegations of sexual abuse of a minor in that case, and fairly transparent threats to ruin women's careers in the music business. What Wil did was wrong, but I'm not willing to take all this without a grain of salt. Georgia brought up the fact that the band, without caution, dragged her name in an AMA. I remember that AMA, and -- well, no. Her name was brought up, by another commenter, and Wil attempted to supress the situation -- he said, from memory, something along the lines of, "Yes, Georgia's very mean, but she shouldn't be brought up". He even deleted the question and comment not long after. (This isn't even taking account of the fact that Georgia herself had a song very clearly about Wil on Camp Cope's latest album, which she was performing well before the release of More Afraid.) With Adams, it was much more defensible to have had it being brought into the public: he, in private, threatened the livelihoods of these women -- the allegations were also a lot more serious, and a lot more clear-cut, and, given his power, a real threat if not brought into the public sphere.

I don't trust people, I suppose, to conduct these kinds of things without prejudice. I wouldn't be able to, either, of course -- Wil's music has meant a lot to me in the past, and that'll inevitably colour the stance I take on the matter. It's not good, and it's not effective. What was said was ugly, but... I don't know. The problem with this stance is it inevitably delegitimises men and women with legitimate concerns who get dragged into a wider, and in my opinion far less thoughtful (than it needs to be) debate about serious issues.

Please know, also, that this isn't a defense of Wil or a condemnation of Georgia.

schoonda
February 27th 2019


1851 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"Georgia brought up the Ryan Adams situation... and I don't think it's even a little bit comparable: there were allegations of sexual abuse of a minor in that case, and fairly transparent threats to ruin women's careers in the music business."



Agreed, I don't think it's a valid reason to dig this stuff up... pretty much everything you just said I agree with Blush, it's a very uncomfortable situation

dimsim3478
February 27th 2019


8987 Comments


damn jeff just posted about merch on insta and peeps are badgering him in the comments about wil

Crawl
February 27th 2019


2953 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Jeff Rosenstock?

schoonda
March 1st 2019


1851 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Wow their ex drummer just got rid of his SSB tattoos

Deathconscious
March 1st 2019


27893 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"Well I just read the emails he sent to Georgia (violating a restraining order she had) and it's some of the most absolutely pathetic shit I've ever seen. Dude is a whiny fucking creep."

Im just catching up on this stuff. Honestly this isnt a surprise. His lyrics make it clear hes a manchild with no control over his emotions, and a naive outlook on what romantic love is and its place in our lives.

Deathconscious
March 1st 2019


27893 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

So ive only read the emails (couldnt find the other stuff being talked about) and clearly that was fucked up and really cringey, but why are claims of emotional abuse only being taken seriously on her side? I dont feel like anything i read needed to be public.

Piglet
March 1st 2019


8559 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

havent read anything, but yeh cunts got a right to privacy

keza
March 1st 2019


489 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Yeah something feels wrong about this. Not gonna say she wasn't a victim of abuse - clearly emotionally manipulative shit going on here - but something tells me they're both narcissistic and should have left this private. Not even sure what's happening with their tour now either - no news about it whatsoever....

anat
March 1st 2019


5852 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

being an arsehole isn’t condemnable but if the chap violated a restraining order it lends some credence to the reaction. i’d agree the emails didn’t need to be made public but it doesn’t wash his hands of the whole thing. shit situation all around

Deathconscious
March 1st 2019


27893 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I found it funny how he was all like "NEVER TALK TO ME AGAIN, I NEVER WANNA SEE YOU OR TALK TO YOU AGAIN SO DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT TALKING TO ME" when shes the one with the restraining order, clearly she had already been trying to fulfill that wish lol.

Deathconscious
March 13th 2019


27893 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

https://www.facebook.com/thesmithstreetband/posts/2753427101364995?__tn__=K-R



statement from Wil.

schoonda
March 14th 2019


1851 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

as much as wil was a dick, i think it was just as big as, if not bigger of a dick move to reveal all that stuff to the public with all the pseudo psycho-analysis bullshit

BlushfulHippocrene
Emeritus
March 14th 2019


4053 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

...so the restraining order stuff was untrue? I hate this entire situation so much.

schoonda
March 14th 2019


1851 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

chinese whispers bs me thinks

dimsim3478
March 14th 2019


8987 Comments


yea the restraining order thing was a big deal to me. definitely takes the wind outta the allegations if untrue. dude was still clearly pretty shitty in relationships but now im feelin a bit more like "lets separate art from artist here" (if you feel inclined, you dont have to) than like "serial abuser who needs to face some form of public retribution".

damn this is a tough one but i dont think that this should break the band anymore; they def lost some fans but should probs continue on in the near future (maybe upcoming tour is too soon). starting to agreethat this shoulda stayed private but at the same time i dont want to undermine what these women have suffered or just totally ignore that wil seems to have behaved abusively in multiple relationships. but maybe we (as the "public") gotta just ignore it

keza
March 14th 2019


489 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Shit. If there wasn't a restraining order, and there was missing context to those messages, then it was super shitty for that girl on insta and Georgia to handle this situation like they did. Especially for someone who's well-known to have the mental health issues he does.



What gets me is that people online in response to this on a Music Feeds article were saying shit like "this is a terrible apology" when this new statement, while apologetic, is so much more than that. Sucks to not be able to see them on tour next week, but this situation is awful.

Deathconscious
March 14th 2019


27893 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

It doesnt sound like anything has happened between them recently, Georgia just decided to make this public because the Adam whatever-his-last-name-is thing "triggered" her (her words), so i guess somehow causing this whole shitstorm by releasing 6 year old emails was the remedy for that.

Trebor.
Emeritus
March 14th 2019


60329 Comments

Album Rating: 3.6

I hate living in the world 2019



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