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Bron-Yr-Aur
August 23rd 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

I like this thread, simply because of Steerpike vs. Acey. As a result of that argument, I no longer ponder my mortality. Which totally makes sense.





This is, on the whole, the only Metallica album I can still listen to, which I very, very rarely do. However, I do rather enjoy playing the title track, and despite numerous shortcomings on behalf of the band, feel that this album warrants a rating that no other Metallica album could hope to achieve.

Tom Violence
August 23rd 2006


32 Comments


Damn punk bands and their power chords.

metallicaman8
August 23rd 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Get out!^



[quote=pike=god]Oh, it's on now. Where to start...



First off, don't shoot your mouth off about subjects you know nothing about. Continue to do so, and you will eventually run across someone who will literally shoot your mouth off.



Second, punks bands focus on catchiness, simplicity, and using music as an effective means to convey a message in an easy-to-digest bite. Musical bluntness, in other words. They do have solos, but they're not a requirement.



Misfits guitarist Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein only played a couple of solos in his whole tenure with the 'Fits, but the solos on Descending Angel and Doctor Phibes Rises Again kick the living shit out of anything Kirk Hammet has ever done.



For another thing, sheer technical ability is not an indication of quality. And even if it were, Metallica would still suck.



One's approach to music is irrelevant to whether or not you succeeded at your intended goal in that style. And punk does its thing very well. Whether it be politically minded hardcore bands, introspective emo bands, or balls-to-the-wall partying horrorpunk bands, they all do their respective jobs from their approach.



Also, since when the hell is a solo the keystone of musical quality? Just because a guitarist can play a solo doesn't mean it's actually good.



All this boils down to the fact that you need to shut the fuck up. This is not an issue of opinion, this is you pretending to know what you're talking about, and failing quite abysmally.



Am I little grouchy? You're damn right I am. I'm tired, irritable, caught in a heatwave with no AC, and am in no mood to suffer fools.[/quote]



Best pwn ever, hands down.

Acey
August 23rd 2006


2578 Comments


yeah, i kinda dug myself into that one

RazorBladeLight
August 23rd 2006


258 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I still love this album. I guess it's just all a matter of opinion, but I honestly think this and AJFA is MetallicA at their finest. I cannot nor will I try to say one is better than the other since I honestly think they are equals. RTL not so much. This album (once again IMO) is simply one of the greatest metal albums out there.

There are probably better soloist out there than Kirk (oh hell I know there are) but that doesn't discredit Kirk for the beauties that he's played (I don't much say created since I know James is the one who creates many of the solos).

Well, looking forward to MetallicA's next album... when the f*** does that come out???

metallicaman8
August 23rd 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Yeah, I'm with chan on that one. it just doens't look good.



Chan go skim through my GNR review.

RazorBladeLight
August 23rd 2006


258 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Why the fuck does it matter how I prefer to spell band names???



metallicaman8
August 23rd 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

It doesn't really matter. Random capitilizations and things just make you seem like a n00b.

Bron-Yr-Aur
August 23rd 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

MM, I'm not going to bother pointing out the mountains upon mountains of proof that Metallica hold themselves in very high-esteem. It's a generally accepted fact that they do have a collective sense of massive self-importance. It's absolutely ridiculous that you actually believe that they don't. Oh, and the Jason Newsted thing, perhaps alcohol did play a part, but I've read numerous Hetfield interviews in which he claims the band were dicks to him for random reasons, and partially because he was Cliff's replacement. If you seriously need proof, actually research it before you say "you've seen no evidence".





Edit: Oh, and you say you've only seen around half an hour of Some Kind of Monster? Not all of it is, as you put it, "bandmates bickering." I trust you didn't witness the art auction attended by Mr. Ulrich, or the part where Lars gets up in James' shit for derailing Metallica by going into rehab? Touching...This Message Edited On 08.23.06

Bron-Yr-Aur
August 23rd 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

A fine conclusion. What I said was an on-going debate with Metallicaman, who seems to believe that neither James nor Lars have large egos at all and that the abuse on Jason was exaggerated by the media.

Tom Violence
August 23rd 2006


32 Comments


James is such a touchy feely pansy.

Steerpike
August 23rd 2006


1861 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

I have, though I'm fairly certain people exagerate. Not to mention while Jason was in the band James had a drinking problem, which he recently rid himself of. Any unfair treatment towards Jason was most likely alcohol endused and James really being himself.




Alcoholism is not an excuse for abuse. And it wasn't just James. Lars treated him horribly as well. They seemed to believe that they were justified because Jason wasn't Cliff. Kirk was the only one who showed Jason even the slgihtest degree of friendship, and he himself has corroborated on how disappointed he was with his bandmates' treatment of the poor guy.



While it may seem it was an uncool thing to do to sue Napster they did have every right as their music was being stolen. Also, in a recent article in Rolling Stones magazine it was proclaimed that Metallica are putting their music up on Itunes, so they are becoming more internet friendly.




They proved they were in it for the money. You can't combat filesharing by treating your fans like criminals.



This is the band that participated in tape-trading to get their music out there. Now that the underground circuit has served its purpose for them, they have no more use for it.



I've seen about a half an hour of it. The portion that I saw was the band quarreling amongst themselves, which is natural when at a rough patch like that in their career.




The you probably also missed the parts with them talking down to Rob during his audition and how Lars selectively edited parts of the interview with Dave Mustaine to make him look as bad as possible, not to mention the fact that they asked him questions they knew would push his buttons.

Bron-Yr-Aur
August 23rd 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

[quote=Steerpike]The you probably also missed the parts with them talking down to Rob during his audition and how Lars selectively edited parts of the interview with Dave Mustaine to make him look as bad as possible, not to mention the fact that they asked him questions they knew would push his buttons.[/quote]

As well as others Bron mentioned one page back. He would hate for his rebuttal to go unnoticed.This Message Edited On 08.23.06

Steerpike
August 23rd 2006


1861 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

As well as others Bron mentioned one page back. He would hate for his rebuttal to go unnoticed.




But of course. Lars Ulrich: the poster child for aristocracy.

Bron-Yr-Aur
August 23rd 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

[quote=MM]No, I haven't. Though I did see a video on youtube where Lars had his driver pull the car over so he could sign autographs for some fans.[/quote]

This quote was taken from the Paris Hilton thread, by the way.





Signing autograph's for fans is as much a part of the business as touring or doing in store promotions and such. Merely because you sign a few autographs doesn't make you any less egotistical or self-deluded. Case in point: Gene Simmons. A few of my friends went to a Kiss show and Gene personally signed a few bictures, and even a bass. Tell me that Gene $immoms doesn't have an ego.



metallicaman8
August 23rd 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Haha, sorry fellas. I left temporarily to have some blood work done. Seems I've missed quite a bit here. I'm not going to use quotes for this one, as there are just too many things that have been said.

First off, I'm not sure whether or not I said that James an Lars don't have big egos. If I did I worded it incorrectly, or exagerrated. The point is I don't really think there as bad as they're made out to be. As for talking down to Rob during his interview, I didn't see that. I did however see them complimenting his bass playing and giving him hugs and hand shakes after his audition. So, I find it quite strange that you've seem James/Lars talking down to him.

Back to ego. Yeah, they have a big ego, but I probably would if I were them too. They are the 8th biggest act in America and one of the most successful metal bands of all time. I'm aware that, that isn't a valid excuse to have a big ego, but I didn't like the fact that Paris has a big ego because she doesn't deserve a big ego she sucks. Frankly, I don't mind artists who are a bit big on the ego, as long as they have credibility. Gene simmons for example does have an ego the size of Texas, but I still like him and watched that show he had called 'Rock School' or whatever and after seeing it he appears to be an okay guy. I don't care that much about ego, it's just one of many thigns that bugged me about Paris Hilton.

Okay, so I guess they were mean to Jason. I haven't seen any of the videos, but whatever. That actually has nothing to do with their own ego's, but more their personality. And yes in that aspect it kind of makes them assholes, but I also think they've improved since them and seem to be treating Rob fairly from the footage I've seen. There's probably more I'd like to comment on, but I'm too lazy to go back and read all that again. Let's try and end this soon.

/waits to be pwn3d several more times.This Message Edited On 08.23.06

Bron-Yr-Aur
August 23rd 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Gene simmons for example does have an ego the size of Texas, but I still like him and watched that show he had called 'Rock School' or whatever and after seeing it he appears to be an okay guy. I don't care that much about ego, it's just one of many thigns that bugged me about Paris Hilton.


Gene has very little credibility himself, as he's manufactured everything from individual Kiss condoms to Kiss Coffins.



Okay, so I guess they were mean to Jason.


They were a little worse than mean, actually.



That actually has nothing to do with their own ego's, but more their personality.


An ego is a part of your personality. Also, it's not soley because of Cliff they were dicks, they also are... well, just dicks.







Activista anti-MTV
August 23rd 2006


3154 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Acey deserved it. Viva La Pike!



MOP is the best album Metallica has done will do.;)This Message Edited On 08.23.06

SCREAM!
August 23rd 2006


15755 Comments


A little late and off the point^^

Brain Dead
August 25th 2006


1150 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Sorry, wrong thread. My bad everyone.This Message Edited On 08.25.06



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