Kendrick Lamar good kid, m.A.A.d city
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LambsBread
July 7th 2015


6522 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

"That pretty much the cool thing to be on campuses is Libertarian. "



well that must be a recent thing after i set the trend, there were no libertarians at my college.



nah libertarianism is a lot more practical and realistic than either mainstream party, thats why its not getting any popular support, when you don't promise people the moon, average people don't support you. They support the guy telling them 'college should be free'.

Rowan5215
Emeritus
July 7th 2015


48447 Comments

Album Rating: 4.1

australia had that once



it was good while it lasted

LambsBread
July 7th 2015


6522 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

I'm sure there are ways to have tax pay funded higher education, but not when you add that to a platform of either an enormous welfare state (democrats) or a military empire (republicans), after the country is 16 trillion in debt.



I have no idea how you can say libertarianism, IE no free higher education, no enormous welfare state, no military empire, isn't more practical than either of those options.



Anyway, why do you think KEndrick is going to endorse Bernie Sanders?

RadicalEd
July 7th 2015


9546 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Education being free is just about the most important thing. And this talk of it being unsustainable is just ridiculous. Plenty of countries in Europe do it. Germany has it implemented and it's arguably the most competitve country in europe right now form a economic viewpoint.

As soon as you bring money into the equation you are muddying the waters on two fronts.

First of all, it is hugely unfair because guys like George W. Bush (the younger) will be able to just buy themselves a high education and a degree from a prestigious college/university, while others who are more qualified need to go into huge debt to pay for that which discourages the middle class/lower class from going for higher education in the first place.

Secondly you're also encouraging universities (and with the universities you do it to the whole scientific community) to cater to certain interest groups who have a big money to spend. This is inherently a problem, because science shouldn't just work for the highest bidding guy.

Hurricanslash
July 7th 2015


1834 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

What Ed said.

ParanoidAndroid96
July 7th 2015


1393 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

yeah education is p much the most important thing ever agreed

SonofSnow
July 7th 2015


1824 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

illuminati





Education reform needs to be a sweeping change on all levels, K-12.



Want to know why are education standards are slacking? The mentality of teach to the test that permeates throughout middle and highschool doesn't accomplish shit.

treeqt.
July 7th 2015


16970 Comments


Germany has it implemented and it's arguably the most competitve country in europe right now form a economic viewpoint.
i'm paying 200€ a semester what is this am i getting ripped off

ShitsofRain
July 7th 2015


8263 Comments


yeah lol

barcafan21
July 7th 2015


2805 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

universities in germany have programs specifically created that let american students go to college for free bc college is so damn expensive in the states

LambsBread
July 7th 2015


6522 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

i agree about welfare and the military but i think we should be able to compromise on education. i figure there would be enough money being sucked out(in my ideal usa) of military and welfare to be able to cover more education*not all of it) and still save a shit ton of money




That was essentially Ron Paul's platform in 2012 if you just add 'save money by dismantling unconstitutional, bureaucratic federal-education funding'.



Plenty of countries in Europe do it. Germany has it implemented and it's arguably the most competitve country in europe right now form a economic viewpoint.
Neither of these countries have welfare states that compare to the size of the US, neither have military industrial, or prison industrial complexes. In fact, the US pays for most of Germany's defense. No offense, but the 'Germany has free education, whats the deal Uncle Sam' is literally a liberal propaganda meme of the type I was just talking about. You are ignoring tons of variables, the most important is the US is 17 trillion in debt, and you are proposing to make the budget even more in the red without understanding things like the military cant simply be 'cut', the military industrial complex is part of the nation's inherent framework, it has more power in dictating policy and budgets that the constitution ever has.



be able to just buy themselves a high education and a degree from a prestigious college/university, while others who are more qualified need to go into huge debt to pay for that which discourages the middle class/lower class from going for higher education in the first place
not sure 'having to go into debt' is a good justification for using the government to extort people for your education, especially when you can get educated in any field, no matter how useless it is for getting a job etc... im not completely against the idea, but it definitely seems unfair if only some people are paying for everyone's education.

LambsBread
July 7th 2015


6522 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECI4QK_mXA



sums up my feelings about your GeorgeW bush comments. Not that I support almost anything he did in office.

Kman418
July 7th 2015


13271 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

haha yeah good album guys agreed

deathschool
July 7th 2015


29488 Comments


Haha! Omg!

dbizzles
July 7th 2015


15413 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Fuck where you roll. Where you from, my niggah?

RadicalEd
July 8th 2015


9546 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

"i'm paying 200€ a semester what is this am i getting ripped off"



It's probably mostly for the free train ticket your getting for each semester?



"Neither of these countries have welfare states that compare to the size of the US, neither have military industrial, or prison industrial complexes. In fact, the US pays for most of Germany's defense. No offense, but the 'Germany has free education, whats the deal Uncle Sam' is literally a liberal propaganda meme of the type I was just talking about. You are ignoring tons of variables, the most important is the US is 17 trillion in debt, and you are proposing to make the budget even more in the red without understanding things like the military cant simply be 'cut', the military industrial complex is part of the nation's inherent framework, it has more power in dictating policy and budgets that the constitution ever has."



Woh. Hold your horses. USA pay for germanys defense? No they don't. They pay for a military complex that is way way way way way to big and for the completely useless wars (which they started). The only case that can be made is the idea that the military of the US holds off the Russians from grabbing europe, but I think the USA could afford tremendous cut backs in their military budget without compromising their dominance in power. If your military complex is "to big to fail" as you're suggesting than you got a huge motherfucking problem and just accepting the fact that you're effectively burning trillions of dollars on useless war-machines can't be the solution right?

Germany also has a way bigger "welfare state" as you like to call it. Everybody in Germany has insurance for loads of things actually. (and some other social benefits) Compared to the population and wealth of the country the "welfare state" are way bigger in Germany than in the US. (And I'd argue germany is lacking a few areas when it comes to that)

The debt-to-GDP ratio in the US is about 100%, the debt-to-GDP ratio in Germany is about 75% which is noticably better, but it's not a gigantic difference. (It was also at 80% when germany decided to introduce free colleges)



RadicalEd
July 8th 2015


9546 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

"not sure 'having to go into debt' is a good justification for using the government to extort people for your education, especially when you can get educated in any field, no matter how useless it is for getting a job etc... im not completely against the idea, but it definitely seems unfair if only some people are paying for everyone's education."



Taxes are not "extortion". That's (ironically) a stupid liberal meme. Taxes are the basis of a functioning state. Why even have a state if it's fucking impotent to do anything. You are profiting from the taxes you paid. When you go and take a ride on the subway, when you use a road or call the fire department etc. Why is it suddenly not okay to ask the society to contribute some part of their money to a system of education, that doesn't bar the entry behind a huge paywall.

guitarded_chuck
July 8th 2015


18070 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

it's sucks how fucking terrible every kendrick thread is



i don't know why you guys feed him

RadicalEd
July 8th 2015


9546 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

People are way to harsh on lambs tbh. Aside from the "How much a dollar cost" stuff.

AmericanFlagAsh
July 8th 2015


13689 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

MAN DOWN



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