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Tyler
Emeritus
January 27th 2008


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

What are you talking about Strizz. What was the " It's got nothing to do with ignorance, it's just that the rabid fanboyism destroys the mechanism in the brain that accepts different opinions/criticism of any kind" in reference to?



Or are you just coming in to start another argument you cant win?





Did you start it off with "LOLCakes. Sorry" for any particular reason?



Or are you just naturally that smug and condescending?



No one has a problem with you rating it a solid 4. Your criticisms, other than your basic understanding of what a breakdown is (hint: just because there's double bass doesnt make it a breakdown), are solid and understandable.



And what was "They use metal cliches better than anyone, but hey you can paint a pile of dogsh_t any pretty color you want, right?" for? I realize you're a fan of awful comparisons and half-witted allusions, but didn't you just say this was a solid 4?This Message Edited On 01.27.08

StrizzMatik
January 27th 2008


4232 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

It is a solid 4. Doesn't mean it's anywhere close to perfect and it does have flaws, which I stated alongside all the things I like about the album. It is kinda funny how angry you get when someone disagrees with/criticizes you though. My sarcastic comments were aimed at your browbeating whenever someone comes in with some criticism of the album/review as it comes off as being pretty smug and condescending, to use your own words and lack of irony. Your comment on starting arguments I can't win was also funny considering I could care less about the monumental importance of the nuances of an album by some Canadian metal band. I mean I have rent to pay but hey it can wait because Sputnik REALLY affects my life dood!



From my understanding, a typical breakdown usually contains something like a 16th-note DB kick with an 8th-note ride and a snare hit on every 3 beat, with minimal variation, usually used to bridge between choruses and verses, typically in a "brutal" fashion designed to "bring the mosh". This is a technique that seems to happen after mostly every second chorus/crescendo on this record. They're annoying b/c every band with some sort of hardcore/metal influence abuses the hell out of them, PTH included, which is probably my biggest criticism of the band in general in how they love love love their metal cliches. It is forgivable at times since they use it with slightly more taste than their peers. And the only thing half-witted about the allusion is your inability to grasp it.

Tyler
Emeritus
January 27th 2008


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

It is kinda funny how angry you get when someone disagrees with/criticizes you though.


This isn't true at all. I get frustrated by ignorant and ridiculous assumptions that are made either out of ignorance (obvious) or prematurely.

My sarcastic comments were aimed at your browbeating whenever someone comes in with some criticism of the album/review as it comes off as being pretty smug and condescending, to use your own words and lack of irony.


Where have I "browbeated" anyone who criticized the album or my review in a legitimate manner? I berate anyone making a ridiculous comment. It's not native to this album, band or review

Your comment on starting arguments I can't win was also funny considering I could care less about the monumental importance of the nuances of an album by some Canadian metal band.


What do the "nuances of an album by some Canadian metal band" have to do with you more often than not entering on a high horse, trying to toss out as many smartass remarks as you can? I was referring to that. I was referring to your tendency to have shallow comparisons and button-pushing logic, and your tendency to more or less disappear when anyone calls you on it.

From my understanding, a typical breakdown usually contains something like a 16th-note DB kick with an 8th-note ride and a snare hit on every 3 beat, with minimal variation, usually used to bridge between choruses and verses, typically in a "brutal" fashion designed to "bring the mosh".


I don't really hear many "mosh bringing" breakdowns on this. Just because that style of drumming is employed doesn't necessarily make it a breakdown.

And the only thing half-witted about the allusion is your inability to grasp it.


To grasp what? An awful little quip about dogshit that not only contradicts your initial "album is a solid 4" but sucks any remaining credibility out of your comment. I understood it. It just wasn't funny or necessary.

innerdark
January 27th 2008


749 Comments


from what I could take from it, it was a good review, a bit chunky for my liking, and I felt you could have condensed it a little, but it's better to have more words with all the detail I suppose.

StrizzMatik
January 27th 2008


4232 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

He just wants DFelon to nut on his stomach.


Yeah you're totally right Kirgasm.



As for Coke, I don't see how pointing out a single glaring flaw in what is still a

good album negates/contradicts my 4 rating for it. Plenty of great (even classic)

albums have an element or two that doesn't wash with the rest of the album. Just

because you give it a 4.5/5 doesn't mean you need to nut all over it like it's some

God-given perfection. Most of my last few reviews had 4.5's and had at least a

whole paragraph or two about the record's flaws. If there were less overuse of the

double-bass beats and lame chug sections peppered all over the record, I'd

probably give this a higher rating. I think a 4 is pretty fair considering.



Sorry for coming across as arrogant/asshole-ish, but I call it how I see it, even if

I'm being sarcastic because that's just how I typically am. It seems to me you're

just as guilty on a lot of levels though, and you have a tendency to jump on

people with mean-spirited comments and/or arrogant posturing, and I'm not

alone in that claim. I bounced out of your Kezia review because you needed

to bring everyone into the argument to try and bolster your point with a bunch of

back-slapping "wow look at this asshole lol" comraderie BS, and frankly, I've got

better things to do than argue about the semantics of an album I'm not even a fan

of.This Message Edited On 01.27.08

DWittisarockstar
January 27th 2008


1501 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

[QUOTE=StrizzMatik]Nah I got a date with your mom, DFel will have to wait brah. She likes the Cleveland

steamer so it's gonna take at least 5 minutes for the full effect. Don't lose too much

sleep thinking about the poop to mom's chin thing ok?[/QUOTE]



That was hilarious. And by hilarious, I mean lame.



I like Kezia better than this so far, but I haven't listened to this nearly as much. The Dissentience is a killer track.

Wizard
January 27th 2008


20629 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

are you mentally retarded?


Coke, calm down! I did say that my rating was a premature assumption and I just felt like posting it. Don't get your panties in a knot because I said something 'somewhat' negative about your "Bigger than God" band. I'm sorry Coke, I don't really like his vocals too much, nor do I enjoy this style of vocals in general. Its just an opinion. No one is retarded for commenting with an opinion. I really don't want to argue Coke.

This Message Edited On 01.27.08

masscows
January 27th 2008


2230 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Coke don't shit on my chest over this, but would anyone else consider this power metal? Seriously, that's what it's coming off to me as after 3 listens. I don't hear much post-hardcore/metalcore at all (even though there's some punk influenced riffs). This really seems like power metal to me.

Killed4less
January 27th 2008


328 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Oh the band is cheesy as hell, so I could see where you get power metal from but that's what makes them so awesome in my book. They're just so much fun to listen to.

masscows
January 27th 2008


2230 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

It seems like power metal to me because there's so much fast-paced melodic shred and insanely 'technical' vocals as well as the prerequisite cheesiness.

masscows
January 27th 2008


2230 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

reasons are required

Wizard
January 27th 2008


20629 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

I've heard enough power metal in my life to say that this is not power metal. However, I see where your coming from (judging from your criteria given above).

StrizzMatik
January 27th 2008


4232 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Because we must all kowtow to the superior being that is a Staff Member. They're not mere mortals like ourselves because they get free CDs.

Tyler
Emeritus
January 27th 2008


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Just because you give it a 4.5/5 doesn't mean you need to nut all over it like it's some God-given perfection.




Pretty sure I didn't do this. I mentioned it's flaws and said they were grossly outweighed.



If there were less overuse of the double-bass beats and lame chug sections peppered all over the record, I'd probably give this a higher rating. I think a 4 is pretty fair considering.


I just don't think it's as blatant as you do.

Sorry for coming across as arrogant/asshole-ish, but I call it how I see it, even if I'm being sarcastic because that's just how I typically am. It seems to me you're just as guilty on a lot of levels though, and you have a tendency to jump on people with mean-spirited comments and/or arrogant posturing, and I'm not alone in that claim.


I understand that. But pointing out when people say stupid shit is for their benefit, not my ego. But I do understand that, just like I understand that you and I are similarly sarcastic. That's why I'm pushing your buttons. It isn't mean spirited, and it's not to stir shit, it's so we can actually get an interesting argument going. And when I say argument, you know I mean an appropriate one, not just ridiculous ad hominem. It ain't personal brosef.



I bounced out of your Kezia review because you needed to bring everyone into the argument to try and bolster your point with a bunch of back-slapping "wow look at this asshole lol" comraderie BS, and frankly, I've got better things to do than argue about the semantics of an album I'm not even a fan of.


I understand you not wanting to argue an album you're not hugely fond of, but I didn't bring anyone on or anything like that. I enjoy arguing and debating and even talking some casual shit and don't ever bring people in to support me. If they do it that's their own doing. People are just fond of that album, it's got nothing to do with me. This Message Edited On 01.27.08

Tyler
Emeritus
January 27th 2008


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Don't get your panties in a knot because I said something 'somewhat' negative about your "Bigger than God" band. I'm sorry Coke, I don't really like his vocals too much, nor do I enjoy this style of vocals in general. Its just an opinion. No one is retarded for commenting with an opinion. I really don't want to argue Coke.


What does you disliking his tone have to do with saying he hasnt improved very much? It's not a matter of taste, or arguing, it's an issue with actually listening and giving it a fair assessment. Dislike his tone, cool, it can be grating. But don't act like it's not

a) extremely hard to sing these songs

b) he hasn't added a huuuuge bag of tricks

And stop with the "God given" bullshit. I'm sick of this shit. People make ridiculous claims about these guys and this albums, I dont. Just because I'm a huge fan and have spent the last few years hanging out and seeing these guys doesn't mean I'm blindly accepting every aspect of their music. I take great offence to stupid fucking comments like that. Don't want to argue? Leave shit like "dont get your panties in a knot" out of your comments then.



Finally, I'm really fucking aggrivated at all of you people talking about me, my status, and whether or not I'm an authority. Grow the fuck up. I'm a Staff reviewer, whoopie. I'm not an authority, and me being better than you wouldn't be a result of that.



It's ridiculous to come in here and see a bunch of you fucking twats talking about whether or not I'm worthy of blind acceptance, and whether you should apologize to me, automatically accept my ideas, etc. Are you fucking kidding me? Why is my "title", or the fact that I'm in contact with record labels, even a topic of discussion here? Christ, let Strizz and I worry about our little arguments on our own. Stop interjecting and acting like I have some ridiculous complex just because you need to justify your own stupid insecurities. This Message Edited On 01.27.08

Tyler
Emeritus
January 27th 2008


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I wasn't pointing anyone out. Just pissed off that I wake up and see a bunch of discussion about me.

It's not my fault people associate me with this band.

It's not my fault I rate their albums highly, and truly have been a fan since the start.

But don't put shit in my mouth and ask me to flush. I never claim they're something they're not. And I never claim I'm something I'm not. It's fucking pathetic.

Wizard
January 27th 2008


20629 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

This is just out of hand.

Coke, fair enough on Rody's vocals. I think I was being a little ignorant on the subject. I will give this album a fair listen and than come back with a more reasonable response. I'm out of this bullshit!

Tyler
Emeritus
January 27th 2008


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

And Wizard, dude, you dont have to like his cleans or even his growls (which are amazing, so I doubt you'd hate them). I just think you didnt give it a fair shot.

Wizard
January 27th 2008


20629 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

I will listen to this with a more open mind, I promise. I give everything a second chance. I have to admit, I enjoyed the growls alot more this time around! Also another thing that impressed me was the guitar parts and how much more refined, yet more complicated they have become (if that makes sense).

MediocreAtBest
January 27th 2008


1473 Comments


We got ourselves a hootenanny in hur! Anyway, I agree that Rody had improved and had brought more variety this time around. I still haven't finished this, but so far, out of the songs I've completed, this is a weak 4.5.



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