"Bringing it back to Daughters, doesn't his actions, previously unknown, now permeate the music? Doesn't it have an impact on ones ability to enjoy it?"
guy's performances have always smacked of deranged creep energy, can't say much for this record as his performance sounded (ironically) hollow and mostly ruined it for me to begin with, but it honestly hampers my enjoyment of earlier stuff surprisingly little knowing that a man who sounded like a profane shitbag was after all a profane shitbag. same thing goes for stuff like brand new - jesse lacey always sounded like a self-pitying sleazy oil slick. hardly listen to them anymore because I don't care as much for that kind of music, but if I do I can be honest with myself that an uncomfortable part of the band's intrigue had an uncomfortable correlate in reality and ride it out

for the 6 glorious minutes of carry me ohio i try to pretend like koz is just the regular douchebag we all previously thought he was

Kozelek is an unfortunate case where it has kinda flipped the table - never jammed him much outside of the early RHP stuff, and the allegations were defs enough of a shift on the image I had of him. Haven't come back to Katy Song in years :[

Album Rating: 3.0

"and deciding that 1) the you rather than the I is the main position you're invited to relate to, or that 2) the gender of either party weighs on the track, like, at all"



You can choose to identify with the object rather than the subject. In fact, I think it's probably common to relate to the object if the singer is the opposite sex. Generally. I can't recall Barnett's specific lyrics to be honest, but when PJ Harvey sings:



"Rest your head on me

I'll smooth it nicely

Rub it better 'til it bleeds

And, and you'll believe me"



I am relating to the object there.

"In fact, I think it's probably common to relate to the object if the singer is the opposite sex"
...why?
do you have any female friends (unloaded question)?
PJ Harvey singing about chafing someone's schlong leaves significantly less to the imagination than Courtney Barnett staring out of the window - not sure why this is a meaningful comparison (and even then, it's pretty easy to identify with PJ's scorn for her lover while simultaneously feeling discomforted by the thought of being on the receiving end)
are you trying to suggest that gay people have an entirely different experience with that song because they don't imagine PJ literal Harvey giving them a handjob

Album Rating: 4.0

they definitely have a different experience with Rub til’ it Bleeds

Album Rating: 2.0

‘record as his performance sounded (ironically) hollow and mostly ruined it for me to begin with, but it honestly hampers my enjoyment of earlier stuff surprisingly little knowing that a man who sounded like a profane shitbag was after all a profane shitbag‘ (2)

Yeah, I actually heard this one first and it felt hollow in a false pantomime horror-this-is-scary way, that it just felt unbelievable forced

Then I heard Hell Songs which was decent / had more bite but nothing remarkable, but I really did enjoy the S/T (which I still maintain is good actual music) but I wouldn’t care to every hear it again now in all honesty

Album Rating: 2.0

Ironic that this would now feel a lot more uncomfortable and ‘real’ with that knowledge, yet I wouldn’t actually ever want to hear it again

Amazing last couple pages y'all, great work

Gonna go listen to the Magnetic Fields now and be bamboozled by the fact that artists can write as a *character* and not *themselves* how on earth is that possible

Johnny said I should be in this thread

What’s goin on guys

Album Rating: 2.5

Why would he do that to you?

PJ Harvey literally sings as if she’s a heterosexual man on multiple songs on Rid of Me (Yuri-G, Man-Size, Man-Size Sextet) so weird example, if we count songs from Dry, Hair works too

Also I am a gay man who things Rub Til It Bleeds is a fantastic song. Not sure why I’d need to imagine PJ jacking me off to enjoy it tbh

Hope this helps

Album Rating: 3.0

"Not sure why I’d need to imagine PJ jacking me off to enjoy it tbh"



Not saying you need to imagine it to enjoy the song. But, do you imagine it?

Album Rating: 4.5

^ comment of the year. Close the thread.

No

But I also don’t imagine male singers sleeping with me when they sing about sex either

I don’t think this matters much to my enjoyment of music? And I like plenty of music about sex

hi ars. idk this album kinda mid

Uncircumcised, can't relate to that PJ Harvey song, not nearly enough friction to bleed

yeah fucking the singer isnt usually on my mind when listening to music is my two cents if thats really the topic were on lol

Is it bad that I really wanna recommend Zorg the band Elysian Fields

I think he’d get a lot of enjoyment out of them