i mean, that makes sense yeah, but not really what i thought you were saying initially with “the tech death genre is now fairly saturated which lessens some of the originality this had (and technically still does)”

i guess it would make sense if you changed the language to "lessens some of the originality i experience when listening to it for xyz reason," but your comment reads as if the sheer existence (and volume) of derivative music waters down the originality of the album itself. so that's what i initially balked at

but i also don't necessarily agree that having heard later work in a genre makes the early years of that genre less interesting or exciting to listen to--even assuming that styles are completely imitated to the point where you cant hear a difference in the style over time (which is rare imo), there's a certain spirit and sound that you can hear in the early works of a genre that's missing from the bulk of what came after it. so yeah technically speaking, listening to an older band for the first time after steeping in the later iterations of their style may be less *novel* because youre familiar with how it generally sounds,, but originality isnt just technique..

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"It kind of does. If you didn't hear the classic melodic death metal like Carcass' Heartwork or At the Gates' Slaughter of the Soul until you were a decade into Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, Insomnium, etc... you're not going to hear the exciting 'originality' the albums had when they first came out."



Sadly this is a very apt example for me. I didn't get into Carcass or At the Gates until after I already heard a bunch of other melodeath bands, so the albums you mentioned weren't nearly as impressive for me upon first listen. Thankfully Heartwork has grown on me over time, but Slaughter doesn't do anything for me that a shit-ton of melodic metalcore albums haven't done for me already (and sometimes more well-executed)

You’re good, makes sense

“i think im the only person who doesnt like this”

nah i don’t like this either.

in maya’s grip, illusion transforms verity

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I tell you, keep it alive now, love is the chariot you ride

Two hearts, colliding pillows, will discover peace

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"This is better than every Death"



WHOOOAAAAA haha settle down there champ it's getting a bit toasty in here

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I guess I already responded to that heh



Double the spice

It is though

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Disagreed my buddy my sir!

That's ok still ly Eddie

According to the Athiest vocalist it took Chuck working with the Cynic dudes to actually start appreciating and incorporating the more technical aspects of the genre so without these dudes Death might never have gone in the direction it did

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I guess that makes sense, but I'm pretty sure he was already listening to bands like Watchtower and Coroner before he did Human. But maybe Paul and Sean were the ones who fully convinced him to cross that line

Pretty interesting little read here

https://blabbermouth.net/news/atheist-frontman-chuck-schuldiner-did-not-create-technical-metal

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"When we played shows in Tampa with DEATH, Chuck would say things about us like that we were so noisy that we sounded like a train station. It was strange to hear that, because we were just a demo band at that point and we couldn't understand why he was slagging us off. I think he just didn't understand what we were doing. At the time, he didn't think that jazz should have a place in metal. He even said that jazz shouldn't have a place in metal on many occasions. He would say that we didn't listen to metal at all and that we just listened to jazz."



Watchtower: "Problem?"

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chucks "progginess" definitely gets overstated and theres really nothing jazzy about any of those 90s death records, its more in the neoclassical shred direction than something like atheist/cynic

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i think an album like TSOP sounds really proggy if you just arent into prog and dont know much about it

i had a long drive today so I put this on again just to see if my opinion has changed.

i still don’t really like it, but it’s not bad. I think the reason it’s rated so highly is because it’s a “genre tourist” album. it sounds great to people who don’t really like the majority of genre it’s a part of, which isn’t inherently a bad thing (funnily enough, symbolic has the same kind of status).

if you’re comparing it to chuck’s music with the perspective of them being “death metal” though, there’s no planet on this universe where this is anywhere near as good as most death albums. but I don’t think the two are really even that comparable anyways, so it seems like a pointless exercise.

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ya back in 2006/07 sputnik this was one of the few pre-opeth dm records you were allowed to like, precisely because it doesnt sound like death metal

yeah there’s like 3 total death metal riffs on this whole thing.