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That’s part of why we don’t see eye to eye on music friendo. For example, you listen to the absolutely most dissonant and drawn out noisecore that may have some merit but will never have any significant success because it’s unbearable to the general public. You also listen to terrible indie music that has an audience of insufferable pretentious hipsters

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anode if no one else has shit in your cheerios yet this morning I wanna be the first to volunteer

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It doesn't matter what you or I listen to. Stumbling upon good music that isn't "successful" is an experience that happens to avid music listeners quite often, I hear about it all the time

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Are we making success the objective framework for music to be considered good?

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Guy must be a swiftie

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someone always shits on my cheerios, wake up in pain every day if that gives any context as to one of the many reasons im such a prick on this site

never said there is no good music that isnt successful. i said i understand why it isnt successful. ive listened to mercury streams, the proliferation of foreign matter 30+ tiimes in the past few days and its maybe the most incredible song ive ever heard but i 100% understand why it has less than 1k views on yt and is hardly known or appreciated

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I mean I guess? But like, what does that entail? If something is good, even if contrary to the general public taste, why wouldn't it become successful in some way

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"you can have really good music with no audience and get recognition" i swear you guys didnt read my original comment

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I definitely did, but why is it just not able to be successful then?

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yeah fair play maybe i wasnt clear enough or somewhere in between. the perfect example is hanl deathconsciousness where theres nothing like it and it had 0 audience when it came out but is so fucking good it has widespread success

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Fair enough. I mean I agree that sometimes things are very much contrary to the general public's taste and don't really find a foothold... but I also believe that if something is so well done, even if it's contrary to taste, it will find success and traction to some degree

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yeah bro thats exactly what im saying

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Aight fair enough lol

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there's a lot of other factors at play when it comes to whether music is successful or not besides its quality. in fact, quality probably has very little to do with it, considering quality is subjective lol

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certain elements of quality can be subjective, but quality is not subjective. brother i dont think were going to agree on anything so i dont think theres much point in debating lol i think we may be bizarro versions of each other

But look at all the derivative half baked horseshit that enjoys widespread popularity.

I can understand why certain music gets popular - it's easily digestible and catchy, it aligns with current trends in music, its made by artists with an appealing image, it's promoted well and so on but the quality of the music (however the hell you define that) is only one factor and doesn't necessarily guarantee popularity by any means.

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^ exactly this

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"But look at all the derivative half baked horseshit that enjoys widespread popularity." that is due to it having an audience because it "aligns with current trends in music, its made by artists with an appealing image, it's promoted well". i am quite confident that if kickstart my heart was released today on bandcamp and it was distributed to even 10 people, it would be popular af even today because it really is just the absolute definition of a perfect song (even if not everyone appreciates it [because some elements of quality are subjective] im not even that huge a fan of it, its just the best example i can think of right now of a flawless song). at least 5 of those 10 people would share it, and so on and so forth

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or, maybe a lot of folks would be like, wtf is this? because that song absolutely reeks of the 80s, many traits of which have largely fallen out of favor?



sure, some folks would like it. just like some folks like noisecore.



"it is the absolute definition of a perfect song." that's just your opinion man

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i mean to a certain degree, sure. but if you compare it relatively to the music that was released at that time, it encapsulates all those sleezy elements of the 80s perfectly. would some people say maybe other 80s sleeze metal songs are better? sure, but no one who appreciates the genre and has musical credentials is going to deny that it has some of the greatest writing, production, performances, etc of its time. maybe we can get into what an opinion is but it seems a little pedantic at this point