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mandan
April 27th 2014


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Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

If you say that Dirt is generally considered by critics as AiC's best, then I'm willing to take that as fact.



Master of Puppets is generally touted by critics as Metallica's best, and it's not my fave album by them.

NordicMindset
April 27th 2014


25137 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

As I said before...



It is an OBJECTIVE fact that more people like Dirt to Jar of Flies.


ArsMoriendi
April 27th 2014


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Album Rating: 4.5

@Sitar: Well for starters, unlike most people I love Ann Wilson's backups in "Brother" and thinks she helps to convey the mood of the song. It's often caught in my head and I really like the lyrics. It's my favorite because of how it affects me, not because of how it effects others.



Out of Alice in Chain's entire catalogue, it does the best job at making me appreciate it. For me, it's truly somber and magnificent. As much as I can understand people not liking it, I'm still surprised that there's a majority who don't. I just think it's better overall.



I don't mind when people have different favorites as mine as much as I mind when everyone has the same favorite. The worst part is that people think I hate Dirt because it's not in my top 2. But no, I like all of 90s AiC, I just prefer some

albums to others.



"guys, everyone knows Dirt is AiC's best. No point in arguing that"



Dude, you missed the entire debate. We've already proved that there's point arguing the worth of all art.

NordicMindset
April 27th 2014


25137 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

So you don't hate Dirt then? Understood

mandan
April 27th 2014


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Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

In fact, here's an unconventional opinion I have:



I'm not a big fan of Jimmy Page's guitar playing (and I like Led Zeppelin). I respect the man and all, but to me Zep was more about Bonzo, JPJ and Plant than it was about Page. A lot of people say Stairway to Heaven is the best guitar solo in rock history. I beg to differ, although I can see why many would put it on that pedestal.

ArsMoriendi
April 27th 2014


42337 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

@danny: wow I really hate that opinion... but to refrain from being a hypocrite all I can say is that I respect that. You're not wrong, you just have a different opinion. Though in MY opinion, the guitar to "The Wanton Song" is flawless.



@Green Baron: I have Dirt as a 4, so of course not. But I have Sap and s/t as 5's

SitarHero
April 27th 2014


14826 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

"Thinking better musicianship means better music is still subjective."



Greater technical ability, ie mindless shredding, does not ipso facto make something better than something simple, but the added use of complexity and shades of grey and colour definitely adds to the picture if you use them well. To evoke different and more complex emotional responses than just hammering out two or three chords with varying loudness.

ArsMoriendi
April 27th 2014


42337 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

@Sitar Hero: Yet I still prefer The White Stripes to any technical death metal band.

Explain that without using objectivity.

deathschool
April 27th 2014


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I love this thread. Why did I leave?

SitarHero
April 27th 2014


14826 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

"We've already proved that there's point arguing the worth of all art."



Ha! No we haven't! That's what we're arguing right now!

SitarHero
April 27th 2014


14826 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

"Yet I still prefer The White Stripes to any technical death metal band."



But do you prefer The White Stripes to Opeth?

ArsMoriendi
April 27th 2014


42337 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Not questioning something is opening yourself up to blind ignorance. You must question everything if you wish you understand.

deathschool
April 27th 2014


29479 Comments


Which one is the shit band in that scenario, Sitar? I thought White Stripes and Opeth were both great.

SitarHero
April 27th 2014


14826 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Neither are shit, but Opeth is 'better'. :D

NordicMindset
April 27th 2014


25137 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

In Ars's case, it's def Opeth

mandan
April 27th 2014


13992 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

Okay, this discussion has officially gone to shit. Bye guys.

ArsMoriendi
April 27th 2014


42337 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"In Ars's case, it's def Opeth"



Nope. I keep saying I don't like growling vocals. I prefer The White Stripes and I'm sure you all respect me less for saying that ;) Kidding about the second part, but yeah I prefer TWS to Opeth.

deathschool
April 27th 2014


29479 Comments


It started strong.

NordicMindset
April 27th 2014


25137 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

No Ars, I meant that to you Opeth would be shit

deathschool
April 27th 2014


29479 Comments


They seem fucking weird to compare.



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