Album Rating: 4.5

Row, easiest solution is I will playlist this album minus 'Turtleneck' most of the time.

Album Rating: 5.0

@Row yeah I generally agree it could have been arranged in a better way. I might re-work the tracklist, as I do for almost everything (even Science Fiction I had to alter...I think I was born to be a studio tracklist arranger, if that were a real position)

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I honestly didn't read that - great evidence we're becoming more and more psychically linked

Album Rating: 3.3

Sowing we're too much alike, I compulsively re-arrange albums in my spare time because I'm so picky about song transitions and flow and all that kinda junk. here's my new tracklist for this if you wanna peep it



1. Nobody Else Will Be There

2. The System Only Dreams in Total Darkness

3. Turtleneck

4. Born to Beg

5. Empire Line

6. Day I Die

7. Carin at the Liquor Store

8. I'll Still Destroy You

9. Guilty Party

10. Dark Side of the Gym

11. Walk it Back

12. Sleep Well Beast

Album Rating: 4.5

Where could 'Turtlehead' have been placed to do the least damage?



Ten minutes of dead air after the title track finishes in a 90s album hidden track style?



Or shoved as deep inside Fat Bastards rectum as Austin Powers can manage?



I honestly don't know where you could place it among this tracklist to have less impact :/

i probably like your version better rowan. turtleneck after system is better

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I'm the opposite of Row and Sowing, I don't care much about pacing or flow, I usually only notice it when it's particularly good not when it's bad and I would never bother to make an alternate track listing.



That said I don't see why you'd want Walk it Back next to the title track, those are the two most "experimental" tracks and it might be a bit much to have them together especially at the end.

Album Rating: 4.5

'Ironically though we seem to be disagreeing more than usual of late.'



Not on the really important stuff, promise you'll never say that :'(

Album Rating: 5.0

Nice Row, I haven't re-arranged this yet but I'll let you know when I do.

yeah i usually don't make note of sequencing on an album (except on a few albums like AMSP, where it was truly terrible)

here it doesnt bug me so much

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Well Doof need I remind you I gave two of your other favorites of this year, Cigarettes After Sex and Mark Eitzel, a 3.5 and a 3.

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Yeah Ryus, except for Turtleneck and the fact that the opener sounds like a closer (though I have a theory about that) the pacing here is totally fine for me.

Album Rating: 3.3

"Where could 'Turtlehead' have been placed to do the least damage?"



turtlehead lol



I think it works pretty well in my tracklist after System as a sort of burn-out-the-energy deal honestly. at the very least its much better than it stinking up the whole thing between Born to Beg and Empire Line, worst possible place they could have put it (well actually between Guilty Party and Carin would have been worse, but alas)

Album Rating: 4.5

Boney's Eitzel rating matching that awful 'wooooh Sufjan Stevens in space' travesty



Yeah, don't remind me again.



I'll forgive you every rating misdemeanour in 2017 if you 4.5+ this, it's all good.

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Mercury of the Soofy thing is astronomically (pardon the awful pun) better than anything on the Eitzel :-P



I'm curious what your top ten will look like this year. Last year ours were near identical iirc but they're shaping up to be quite different this time around.

Album Rating: 4.5

As a B-Side I'm sure 'Turtleneck' could have become a National cult favourite, an in-joke'y sort of lark about.



It's a derp inclusion on this album...but it doesn't stop me loving everything else here, thankfully.

Album Rating: 4.5

Boney we'll share this (hopefully), Fleet Foxes, Mount Eerie, maybe Slowdive.



We also both liked the Father John Misty, Cigarettes After Sex (you need to bump it at least a .5 though), Flotation Toy Warning and the War on Drugs. There'll be about ten in common across our top 25s fear not.



Wish you liked the Eitzel and Aimee Mann albums more but you can't ask for everything.

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Still haven't listened to Aimee yet actually, I've still got quite a backlog of 2017 albums to hear; probably I'll do like I did last year and just binge them all come December.



I'm loving the new Alvvays right now, that could be a top ten contender.

Album Rating: 4.0

"the best part of the album (8-12)" agreed. album is very back loaded

Album Rating: 4.5

'Mercury' is one of the song's of the year, agreed there.



I'll check the Alvvays now.