Album Rating: 3.0
Shai Hulud is a mix of hardcore and metalcore
How the fuck can they be a mix of metal and hardcore AND hardcore?
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Album Rating: 4.0
Are we sure we want to listen to Atavan about what genres what??? I mean...
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Album Rating: 2.0
The post-2004 argument actually helps me as you said "current" bands don't play different styles, so I guess you were wrong about the whole "current metalcore sound". Also;
Hopesfall: love them, but they ain't metalcore. they're post-hardcore.[QUOTE]
Go listen to Satellite Years, No Wings To Speak Of and The Frailty Of Words and tell me again they aren't metalcore.
[QUOTE]Cave In: they're kinda soft for metalcore.
*Early Cave In.
All BTBAM kills.
This statement is quite telling of how you don't understand metalcore, if a band who's current songwriting scheme is to go "Tweedle-dweedle-dee" it says a lot about your lack of understanding what makes this album bad
Shai Hulud: good, but more hardcore really.
Hatebreed: ugh. and they're more hardcore too.
Statements like this prove my point about you not understanding this type of music, of course they're more hardcore oriented metalcore is Metallic-hardcore not shitty metal bands who play breakdowns. The fact that you don't get that, gives weight to my point that you can't understand my criticisms of this album
7A7P: they're good, but only made 1 album i think? they need to have at least a few good albums to be a classic metalcore band to me.
That one album has influenced a huge number of bands.
Misery Signals: also almost exclusively post-2004. they're quite good though.
Band is generally considered 7 Angels 7 Plagues part 2.
So let's review, you've said the "current sound" of metalcore is breakdown centric jun-jun bands. I've listed several bands considered to be major players within the genre several of whom are "current" who don't play that style? So now we have the truth staring you right in the face, ready to accept it yet? Also you'e made it abundantly clear with your description of several bands that you 1.) don't know enough about the genre to categorize bands correctly, 2.) have very little understanding of the genre's components and origins and 3.) don't know a lot about the bands who essentially shaped the genre. Again my point from the begining is that you obviously have little experience with any metalcore outside of generic bands who play a pathetic watered down sub-style of the genre. Which is why you can't understand my criticism of this band.
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Album Rating: 5.0
Good 'ol PalaceofWisdumb loves trying to support untenable positions...and failing. I wonder why he hates this album so much. Maybe it murdered his parents when he was a young boy, leading him to become a masked internet vigilante...
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shai hulud are metalcore
metal + hardcore
yeah. YEAH.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Shai Hulud is much more Hardcore than Metalcore to me.
and Hatebreed sucks.
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Album Rating: 2.0
I was sort of with ThePalaceOfWisdom until he namedropped hatebreed
what.
I never said they were good, although their live show is amazing. They've still had a huge impact on the genre, whether you feel it's a good one or not is your opinion but they've still left their mark.
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Album Rating: 4.0
I think you might be getting at something SlightlyEpic.
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Album Rating: 3.0
Justin William Timberlake why are you always trying to pick fights with people. The teenage angst is really overtaking you, I suggest listening to 21st Century Breakdown with Alligator.
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Album Rating: 4.5
how about this? there are obviously 2 styles of metalcore: the "purer" style, which is what the genre was founded on -- represented by the bands you mentioned, and the "current" style of chugga-chugga jun-jun metalcore, which is popularized by numerous bands that you and i both could list off. (this has been my contention all along)
there are a few bands which carry forth the banner of the old-school metalcore style currently, but for the most part the new wave of metalcore is most popular. hell, the breakdown defines modern metalcore. (not to mention the fact that several of the bands you mentioned, including Misery Signals and Underoath, are quite breakdown-friendly.)
and my only argument is that Constellations represents the best of the new wave of metalcore.
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Album Rating: 4.5
and i'm pretty sure your Palace friend is the one attacking my position David James Young. not the other way around.
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Album Rating: 5.0
The hardcore influence really only comes out in the form of vocals and breakdowns.
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so it's like being the smartest retarded kid
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Album Rating: 4.5
of Shai Hulud? yeah, i'd agree with that.
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Album Rating: 3.0
3 of the site's dumbest users have this as a 4.5
Take from that what you will.
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Album Rating: 2.0
how about this? there are obviously 2 styles of metalcore: the "purer" style, which is what the genre was founded on
It has nothing to do with purity, it has to do with what is actually a combination of hardcore and metal. Breakdowns existed long before hardcore did. If I have a metal band and add a bunch of breakdowns it does not make that band a fusion of hardcore and metal it makes it a metal band who can't write songs.
there are a few bands which carry forth the banner of the old-school metalcore style currently, but for the most part the new wave of metalcore is most popular.
This concept of a new wave of metalcore is redundant, yes there are bands like The Acacia Strain who are breakdown centric bands, just because thousands of clones exist doesn't make proper metalcore bands less relevant and just because idiots love breakdown centric bands doesn't mean they represent the genre as a whole, case in point why does no one remember all of the breakdown centric bands who showed up after The Opposite of December became popular? Answer: Because no one gave a fuck after a few months.
What you still don't get is that just because a lot of bands play the exact same style of music doesn't mean they represent the entire genre, they in fact do the opposite by limiting any scope of the genre. Bands like Shai Hulud define metalcore they are a perfect combination of hardcore and the elements of metal, just because their style isn't overplayed doesn't stop it from being the best kind of metalcore there is.
hell, the breakdown defines modern metalcore.
No it doesn't and you really need to stop thinking this way. First of all contemporary metalcore is any band currently releasing metalcore albums, Converge did it a few months ago that's still contemporary metalcore and it's still current. Again, bands that showcase various aspects of the genre are much better representations of the genre, just because there's not as many because their style requires actual skill to create doesn't mean they aren't the front runners of the genre.
nd my only argument is that Constellations represents the best of the new wave of metalcore.
Well, even if we accept your (incorrect) view of the genre they don't. Bands like Underoath would be the best. And also what you describe as the "new wave of metalcore" is pathetic so being the best band in that group is like being the best Limp Bizkit cover band, you're never going to be worth anything, just like ABR who are never going to be worth anything.
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Album Rating: 3.0
But I can barely listen to Underoath.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Taylor: your forgetting your own original defense for your review: people have opinions.
and unfortunately for your argument, ABR already is "worth" something...they have legions of fans.
and also unfortunately for you, my review is a perfect 19 for 19 in the pos department, whereas 30 people have negged yours. take from that what you will.
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Album Rating: 2.0
and also unfortunately for you, my review is a perfect 19 for 19 in the pos department, whereas 30 people have negged yours. take from that what you will.
Yeah and I've got more reviews with perfect pos' votes than you've written. TAKE FROM THAT WHAT YOU WILL.
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Album Rating: 2.5
like 5 pages back i told you to stop trying to convince him he's wrong and went to sleep. 5 pages later you haven't shut up yet
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