but your point is wrong
you can comment whether or not you have an opinion on the album
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Album Rating: 4.0
Meh, I still disagree, however, do see your point.
I guess I'm not really commenting about the album anymore...
Don't really need to, it speaks for itself ahahaha...it's that good =P
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Album Rating: 4.0
Ha ha ha well it held your attemtion for a good half hour then 
Did you hear Murder City?
That's a good one.....
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SylentEcho, fuck you I am not a goddamn troll. Our music tastes collide, and you're obviously quick to judge.
Ohh, and leave Billie Joe's teeth alone you asshole! Hell, if you were even HALF as gorgeous as he is, THEN maybe you could say something about how HE has certain flaws. Music is not about the appearance of the frontpeople.
Personally, I think his teeth are adorable. But whatever. I'm just a "stupid teenage girl with a crush"...pfft.. You listen to shit and have no taste in music. End of. Also I'm quite sure I look better that Bille, I'm just not famous. Green Day WERE a good band, they're just **** now.
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Album Rating: 3.0 | Sound Off
?Viva La Gloria? is pretty effing great, even if the beat is ripped right from "Blood, Sex & Booze". I'm liking this album a bit more with more listens... kind of a grower believe it or not.
Green Day WERE a good band, they're just **** now.
Nah.
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Album Rating: 3.0
This album is definetly a grower, considering a 3.5.
!Viva La Gloria! is great, so are Before the Lobotomy, Murder City, and Christian's Inferno. I also really really like the last 4 songs.
Album does have some very bad songs... Know Your Enemy, need I say more?
Overall, this album sound a lot like Green Day.
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Okay seriously.
How many albums have you written and recorded?
That's a terrible argument. Just because someone doesn't create art doesn't mean they aren't entitled to judge it. That's like someone watching "2 Girls 1 Cup" and saying, "well, I've never done anything like this myself, so I'm not sure if I should be grossed out or not."
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Album Rating: 3.0 | Sound Off
Buuuuut the thing is, most people in this thread/site rip bands by citing details in the music that they themselves have no musical knowledge or understanding of, especially something as unquantifiable as being "catchy" or saying "they have no talent" or by equating a band's talent with how many dope time signatures they can play in or if their guitarists play a million notes a second, while completely blasting simple music because of its simplicity. Those assertions are many times patently ridiculous, as being a great songwriter/tossing off sick pop hooks without trouble is a technicality all its own that most "technical" bands WISH they had. IMO, the unknowledged person's opinion holds less weight than one who knows what they're doing on a technical level, i.e., a movie critic vs a director.
It's like someone who has never played guitar in their life criticizing a guitarist's technique - in the end, what the fuck does that person know compared to someone who actually plays? Everyone rips on Billie Joe because he doesn't "shred" on GD records so they assume he sucks as a guitarist. Personally, I know for a fact he "plays down" because it's much easier to sing when you're not playing complicated stuff underneath, and besides... it's fucking POP-PUNK! It's supposed to be simple! This simple fact eludes seemingly everyone. Not to say BJA can't play. On Foxboro he plays solos in almost every song (they're not shredderific but still solos). When I saw him live, during an extended song break he proceeded to destroy faces with a sick solo played behind his head. NOFX's lead guitarist is a classically-trained jazz musician and you'd never know that. Sorry to go into Tangent Land but GD have a LOT of musical talent that gets no credit.
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NOFX's lead guitarist is a classically-trained jazz musician and you'd never know that.
Strizz, I agree with most of what you said, but you lost me here. The fact that El Hefe has a background in jazz has no relevance within the context of a NOFX album as far as I'm concerned. I mean, without that prior knowledge, would So Long and Thanks for All the Shoes sound any different to you? I guess it just comes down to whether or not you think art should be analyzed in a vacuum (e.g. merely as a finished product) or not (which I don't necessarily always believe, for the record). More than one way to skin a cat, I guess.
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It's a dumb argument anyways seeing as we all know that music is about opnions etc.
This. And I agree with the rest of what you said for the most part. I wasn't trying to infer that someone with no experience in creating art has as much of a say in all cases as someone who does, just that the "oh yeah, then where's your album?" argument is retarded. I think that someone who has a ton of experience creating art might take a more byzantine/utilitarian approach to analyzing it, whereas someone with less experience might look at the subject in terms of "the big picture." I don't think either way is better than the other; just different.
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I'm torn. On one hand, I was pleasantly surprised by this album, but should I like an album just because it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be? I've always liked Green Day and I think they've got a knack for writing catchy ditties; I was never really offended by the derivative nature of their music before (four chords!) but on this album, you could really tell that they were coming up short. I don't think this album is a step back, but it's certainly not a step forward. It's stagnant, which is super bad. It actually kind of sounds like a Warning clone, more than AI part two...
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Album Rating: 3.0 | Sound Off
It does sound a lot like a mix of Warning and AI. There's lots of rumors floating around that this record was partially comprised of Cigarettes & Valentines material, which for those that don't know, was the GD record they were making to follow up Warning. The masters were stolen in its final mixing stages before they went back to the drawing board and crafted AI, and this album (21CB) makes a lot of references to cigarettes... it would be ironic considering Mike Dirnt stated that what would have been Cigarettes And Valentines wasn't "maximum Green Day", which could explain why this album feels so phoned-in at times.
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Album Rating: 3.0
Songs of this album have been playing a lot during the NBA playoffs and MLB games. When a timeout is called or an inning ends, they play a little before going to commercials, most of the time while playing a replay... the madness is starting, imagine if TRL still existed.
21 guns, Know Your Enemy, Static Age, and See the Light are the ones I remember hearing.
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Album Rating: 2.5 | Sound Off
I decided to buy this this last week (I was in a supermarket and for some reason wanted to buy a cd) and, while it isn't 'classic' Greenday, it is still damn catchy and is growing on me. I doubt it will go above a 3 though (if I even get around to upping my rating). However, it's still too long and stinks of trying to build upon the psuedo-politicism of American Idiot.
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Album Rating: 1.0
this new green day cd is a travesty. I mean at one time Green Day was a punk bank!!! a pretty awesome punk band! what happened to to these guys?.....what happened is they got old and turned into commercialized sellouts.
I have been a fan of Green Day since I got Kerplunk in like 4th grade, and I know alot of people like this poppy BS Green Day spews out now and thats cool but I think most old school green day fans will agree this is hot garbage.
Green Day has turned into every other dime a dozen pop rock band writing shit about politics.
After listening to this and American Idiot I just wanna kick Billy Joe in the nuts......CORRECTION! I'll kick him in the fleshy patch of skin where his nuts used to be.
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Album Rating: 1.0
by the way excellent review I coulden't agree more
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And to think I was considering buying this album -_-
All the negativity has changed my mind.
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This album has a 74 average on metacritic. Sad.
metacritic rating = the ratio of hysterical fan girls to braindead haters.
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Album Rating: 1.5
yes because reputed music publications are hysterical fan girls
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Album Rating: 3.0 | Sound Off
this new green day cd is a travesty. I mean at one time Green Day was a punk bank!!! a pretty awesome punk band! what happened to to these guys?.....what happened is they got old and turned into commercialized sellouts.
I have been a fan of Green Day since I got Kerplunk in like 4th grade, and I know alot of people like this poppy BS Green Day spews out now and thats cool but I think most old school green day fans will agree this is hot garbage.
Green Day has turned into every other dime a dozen pop rock band writing shit about politics.
After listening to this and American Idiot I just wanna kick Billy Joe in the nuts......CORRECTION! I'll kick him in the fleshy patch of skin where his nuts used to be.
I've been listening to GD since '94. This is just another GD album only longer and not as good, but still quite listenable. And LOL, does anyone remember when people used to actually care about "being punk"? And no GD was never a "punk" band. They've always been poppy, they've always been pop-punk and their sound has changed little if at all in the 20+ years they've been around.
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