Album Rating: 4.0

Nowadays i imagine most artists make music for fun, and therefore the most important aspect should be reaching the audience, and by making the album only available on bandcamp (which is very niche), the music goes under the radar for most people

'Nowadays i imagine most artists make music for fun, and therefore the most important aspect should be reaching the audience'

that 'therefore' is doing some insane, bizarre work

Album Rating: 4.0

Turnover stinks

Album Rating: 2.0

turnover stinks so does this [2]

Album Rating: 3.5

Peripheral Vision is a masterpiece, rest of Turnover stink a little bit. Will have to check this. Everytime I see Pika or smok giving poor scores I feel like I'm about to hear something interesting.



PS:

- Fuck spotify [2]

- This is not poor but definitely not excellent shoegaze either. Just good, easy on the ears shoegaze.

- That hornygaze tag is absolutely on point for this. It's like the whole album was recorded in a romantic soiree. That saxophone on the last track sealed the new sub-genre tag, hornygaze.

Album Rating: 4.0

what do you mean mort?

i mean one doesnt seem to follow from the other

as in, i dont see why

'reaching the audience'

is the logical desire if you are

'making music for fun'.



to me if youre making music for fun it seems the 'therefore' should be 'therefore do whatever you feel like'

Album Rating: 3.5

Yeah Mr.Mort! Yeah logic!

PS: Saxophone on the last track deserves a 0.5 bump.

thank you Mort the logic there is deeply broken, but
"Nowadays i imagine most artists make music for fun"
on its own is a baseless and imo hugely entitled assumption wow what a comment
but more importantly Turnover can fuck right off [3] for all this thing's sins and horrible vox at least its a real shoegaze album

holy shit turnover and turnstile are two different bands

no wonder i was so confused

woah nice pivot
can we bitch about Turnstile now

lol not gonna lie, I confused Turnstile with Turnover for a long ass time to the point where I was incredibly disappointed to catch Turnover at Riot Fest when I thought it would Turnstile (this also made the depressingly common accusations that seem to crop up in the punk-tinged shoegaze scene more difficult to follow).

As for streaming services, I'll take the bait and admit that it is annoying when something isn't on DSPs because I've grown accustomed to the Good Consumer Juice, but it's pretty entitled and flat out wrong to assume that

1.) Most artists are doing this JUST for fun

and

2.) Artists shouldn't get to dictate how to release their work

So much of today's internet landscape is homogonized and sanded down of any personality. The powers that be would love for your online experience to be one site for everything (and, like five companies all stupidly think that THEY could be that one site). We're already on a site that requires a lot of elbow grease to engage in (hell, anyone who is commenting is grandfathered in from the poor decision of making an account once upon a time).

Regardless of what I think of Whirr as a project, they have the luxury of being a band with any sort of following in the attention economy and I'll at least respect the decision to not have stuff up on DSP's right away. Don't mean to jump down your throat with this, Smaug, I just really don't like the entitled "dance for me" attitude that a lot of listeners have today

Album Rating: 3.0

The album is already on YouTube anyway. I always thought bandcamp WAS the way to get your music to your audience. It's not like they haven't been around long enough to amass a fanbase.



Plus weren't they dropped by their label?

Album Rating: 4.0

sorry if my comments came off as arrogant, i guess i'm just generalizing how i view my brother's band, who enjoys making and playing music on the side, as most bands that exist know that they are unlikely to break through. but IF a band would want to break through, then surely they must have a platform on spotify? if not, like in whirr's case, then what is their goal, if it's not to make the music just for fun and for their own enjoyment?

Album Rating: 4.0

i guess they make it for fun though, if they want to release solely on bandcamp

if you have somewhat of a following, then yeah you can release with exclusivity (e.g. your own YouTube, bandcamp, artist website, etc.) and ppl will follow. less exposure maybe but probably more $. plus if you're only making maybe $100 a month on streaming then it's not much of a loss, especially if a bunch of causal fans bite the bullet and drop 5, 10, 20$ on your music on bandcamp here and there

idk, I had a brief period where I had 10k monthly listeners (was on a big playlist for a bit) and it did virtually nothing for me tangibly. playing more live shows was way more substantial.

Album Rating: 3.0

Making music for the self is just as important as making it for others. I think a lot of newer artists have realized how much effort you need to expend to get what little traction you can, there's only so much time and attention to go around. Not saying it applies to these guys but more to your brothers band, even if you play the dumbest shit imaginable it can still be cathartic.



To back up jots more, just because people hear you doesn't mean they're a fan. There's better avenues to reach their audience. I probably wouldn't have even checked this had i not seen this review for example.

Album Rating: 4.5

best thing turnover has ever done is get the turnstile guy to feature on a (deeply mid) turnover track

like, i know a handful of musicians that have like... idk, maybe 100-500 or so monthly listeners on spotify etc, yet still tour internationally and make a decent living (or secondary living) with music. and i know guys with like 20-100 thousand monthly listeners who couldn't fill a medium-sized venue in their own town. streaming is weird like that.

Album Rating: 4.0

You have a point that people who follow a band on bandcamp will likely call themselves a fan. I see these guys have other albums on spotify, so then why change it up with this?