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Bron-Yr-Aur
July 13th 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Rocksta: Hating authority isn't exactly an uncommon trend, particularly amongst minors. The reason for the Bush-phase is because he's a controversial President, and many portray him in a negative light, whether he deserves it or not. Teens and or children who are easily impressionable pick up on this, and it goes from there. Monkey see, monkey do, you know.



Dan: Okay. Wasn't quite picking up on that. This Message Edited On 07.12.06

The Sludge
July 13th 2006


2171 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

If you americans hate him so much why did you vote him in for a second time?


Well, I am one person. One person's single vote, even 800,000 people who registered with Punkvoter didnt matter with the majority of the USA is filled with middle-aged republicans who never heard of Fat Mike (:D). Many people were afraid of switching Presidents at time of war, also people liked Bush's principals (anti-abortions, religion, etc...) so they voted. There was the fact that Kerry also seemed like he couldnt take lead of the country. These punk bands/a-list celebrities tried to get the word about how Bush is an evil man, but comming off as some bias assholes themselves. So your comment is void.



EDIT: Wow, I decided to pretend I'm smart for my 666th comment.This Message Edited On 07.12.06

metallicaman8
July 13th 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

Hmmm....I'm sorry but when Bron and le Pike said that it's easier to write a catchy songs with memorable hooks than more thrashy songs that just made me laugh. So what you're saying is it's easier to write "When I Come Around" than oh, I don't know "Ride The Lightning" with it's massive almost 2 minute solo. I really, really think not.

JohnXDoesn't
July 13th 2006


1395 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

This is a good album. Focusing on the technical side of the playing is missing the mark. Power chords are a good thing. Nothing extraordinary about the musicianship here. Doesn't have to be. It's rock n roll. Good songs, good lyrics, a little something to say. A much better effort then average, IMO. Decently written review, it just misses the entire point.This Message Edited On 07.12.06

Bron-Yr-Aur
July 13th 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Hmmm....I'm sorry but when Bron and le Pike said that it's easier to write a catchy songs with memorable hooks than more thrashy songs that just made me laugh. So what you're saying is it's easier to write "When I Come Around" than oh, I don't know "Ride The Lightning" with it's massive almost 2 minute solo. I really, really think not.




There is far more to musicianship than writing complicated songs, and you're blatantly ignoring that. As a songwriter, it takes far more skill at your trade to take something simple and make it effective than to simply write a shredding solo or a heavy power chord progression. This is completely ignoring proficiency at playing the instruments, because that's actually irrelevant. Your job as a musician is not to show how talented you are, it's to entertain those who pay for your songs and albums. Using this logic, it takes more skill to write a good, simple song than a fast, wanking one. It's truly not hard to reach that conclusion unless you're merely refusing delivery for it, and I kind of think you are.

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The Sludge
July 13th 2006


2171 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

I can write a massive 2 minute solo, but it would suck :D

metallicaman8
July 13th 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

I'm not denying it, I just find your logic faulty. It's not hard to make something simple effective. People go bananas over simple sh!t. I was in a band about a year ago adn we put out 3 or 4 songs that were pretty simple 4 or 5 chord songs and people around my parts went nuts over them. Meanwhile I was lazy and put very little effort into writing them. Also, stop trying to make it sound so easy to write massive shredding solos. It isn't. It may not be as hard as people make it out to be, but it's far from easy.



EDIT: damn I type slow.This Message Edited On 07.12.06

The Sludge
July 13th 2006


2171 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

After all the reviews are said and done, I will write one for this :D

JohnXDoesn't
July 13th 2006


1395 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Yes! I shall write one also. Which will rape and plagerize the one of Hep's with a vicious fury.

metallicaman8
July 13th 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

Mines better because it exists^.



EDIT: damnit beaten to the post again.This Message Edited On 07.12.06

Bron-Yr-Aur
July 13th 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I'm not denying it, I just find your logic faulty. It's not hard to make something simple effective. People go bananas over simple sh!t. I was in a band about a year ago adn we put out 3 or 4 songs that were pretty simple 4 or 5 chord songs and people around my parts went nuts over them. Meanwhile I was lazy and put very little effort into writing them. Also, stop trying to make it sound so easy to write massive shredding solos. It isn't. It may not be as hard as people make it out to be, but it's far from easy.



EDIT: damn I type slow.




You're once again completely missing my point. For one thing, I never said it was easy to write a shredding solo, but if you know your scales and are proficient enough at the guitar, writing something in the vein of "Rode the Lightning" is fairly simple. For another, it's very difficult to make something simple effective, and I don't find your reasoning that a twelve year old in a band produced some music that people somewhere in Canada went nuts over very convincing for your case. I really don't feel I need to elaborate anymore on that point.



For another thing, it may not be easy for you to write shredding solos, but you're what, thirteen? Keep playing the guitar, actually study musical composition, and then tell me that writing a wanking Kirk Hammet solo is challenging. What it boils down to is this: Simplicity done ingeniously is far less common than technical music done the way many bands do it. You will never read a comment of mine saying that shredding is easy. But quite honestly, producing a symphonic, perfect piece of pop or rock which entails a sum greater than it's instrumental componenets takes far more skill as a musician than constructing a two-minute guitar-solo.

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The Sludge
July 13th 2006


2171 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

Wait, I think metallicaman8 is 13 or 14. So you cant fault him at that.



EDIT: To KripesThis Message Edited On 07.12.06

metallicaman8
July 13th 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

yeah I'm 13. And Bron your point remains valid that an experienced guitarists who knows all his scales n' what not may have to put little effort into writing a Kirk Hammet-esque solo (by the way most of the solos are actually written by Hetfield). But that'ss experienced guitarists. I'm somehwat inexperienced and I have no trouble writing simple songs. And neither did alot of other mediocre guitarists (Kurt Cobain). And don't you dare say I missed the point again, I just disagree with it.

Rocksta71
July 13th 2006


1023 Comments


"... I have a trend? DanJoe, perhaps some elaboration?" - Bron

I don't know what your standing is on Bush so I can't really elaborate any further but it does seem like bush hatred has become a popular thing to do.

With regards to my rating 4.5 then 2, my mouse wheel is a little over sensitive and when attempting to give this album a 3, rather than a 4.5 I slipped. I change my album ratings all the time depending what I like or dislike at any particular time, I liked this album when it first came out before the radio killed it, now I can't say I enjoy it at all.

Bron-Yr-Aur
July 13th 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

But... you did miss my point again. You don't have to be extremely experienced to do it. All you need is a basic handle on pentatonic scales, and a decent tremolo picking style. And sure, you have no trouble writing simple songs. No one does. But doing them effectively, and using different instruments and components to build them up and such is a completely different story. the only thing you're acknowledging is that I'm saying writing a simple song is easier than a technically challenging song. That's not all it is. You have to write a simple song well. But anyway, I've made what I feel to be a valid point, and if you want to carry on thinking Metallica is the cream of the songwriting crop, that's your opinion. All of this was just my two-cents anyway.This Message Edited On 07.12.06

metallicaman8
July 13th 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

I didn't say "extremely" experienced. I said experienced, don't exagerate. I'm also not sure what you mean by using different instruments. Pretty much every pop-punk band I've heard of just uses the traditional bass,guitar,drums. And I didn't miss the point. Again, I just disagree with it. It's an opinion.

metallicaman8
July 13th 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

Eliminator, yeah there appear to be lots of arguements in my reviews but meh. on an unrelated note, nice to see you back. It's been a while since I've seen you comment. Thought you were banned or sumthin.

Bron-Yr-Aur
July 13th 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Calm down, I'm not exaggarating, and I wasn't even quoting you on that. No reason to get snippy. And seriously, I'm not debating this with you anymore. From what I'm gathering, you don't know all too much about song construction and layering and the like, and nothing I say will change your mind anyway.

metallicaman8
July 13th 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

Hmm...my comment didn't seem snippy in my head. It's hard to get my tone of voice right in typing format. Sorry if I seemed a bit angsty there. Although, I would appreciate it if you refrained from belittling my musical intelligence. You're correct I don't know too much about musical construction considering I'm entirely self taught. Also I found "nothing I say will change your mind anyway" to be quite offensive in the sense that it seemed you were referring to me as some sort of stubborn child refusing to admit he was wrong. That's not the case at all. I see you point and disagree with it. Then again I could have gotten your comment wrong just as you got the tone of my previous comment wrong. Perhaps you didn't mean to be offensive, I can't really tell.

Bron-Yr-Aur
July 13th 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I didn't even intend for an argument to come out of it. It originated from something I said pertaining to something in his review. Hep Kat, I am aware of the genre, and concur with your point.



Metallicaman, belittling your musical intelligence was not the goal. And the last line about not changing your mind, you interpreted wrong. That was about how everyone obviously has different opinions, and they're not going to change their mind about them because someone disagrees with them.This Message Edited On 07.12.06



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