carly bae?

yeah she sucks

Album Rating: 4.5

someone prove me wrong

Lipgloss is fucking wank

Album Rating: 3.5

@tyler agreed tbh

Album Rating: 4.5

[2]

Album Rating: 3.3

smae

is this chuck klosterman

I mean I'm no big CXCX/CRJ person, it's just "you ALL only like X because of Y" is an Opinion Format people hardly ever respond to except with anger or indifference. How was Rowan supposed to take this "criticism"

ok I know this isn't exactly a response but I just have to mention that out there in that world we call The World when I hear CRJ/CXCX it is 95% of the time because a real actual woman put it on

this is me being in college of course but still

even though I understand it's "poptimism" (as it exists on the internet?) at issue here and not pop music as it exists in the real world

but poptimism is a phrase that makes me shudder and prepare for overly broad theoretical strokes too so I have a problem

Album Rating: 4.5

lol

Album Rating: 3.3

or all three. they call it the ubermensch poptimist. 2018's tweed - clad spawn come to begin the long brewing war of the genres



(This is a joke like my post on the last page. generally not intended to be taken seriously)

people who get annoyed at other people liking things lmfao

now you’re just being mean

Album Rating: 5.0

a lot of charli's fanbase is using her as a "token female popstar", yes. but I don't think that's her fault. just like i don't think it's her fault that people envision her as a "waifu", etc. the modern poptimist crowd will inevitably die out and move on to another trend by a couple years from now at the most, but i (and others) listen to her because she makes good music. i like pop music, I have since i started listening. and i like charli xcx's music because of that. i don't think it's fair to slander an entire fanbase because some of them are trendhopping/misogynistic, but i especially don't think it's fair to blame an artist for her fanbase. i tried to talk about or at least hint at that in my review but maybe i wasn't very clear.

Album Rating: 5.0

also if you refuse to take the notion that someone could genuinely love this kind of music (without having a creepy obsession with the artist) seriously, you make it harder for that music to ever be taken seriously, perpetuating the problems you're pointing out.

well, you don't have to wade through those paragraphs!

Album Rating: 5.0

"pc music's original mission statement highlighted that,"

remind me about this? w/source please or something I can google. i've been following for a while and researched a bunch and all I can find is people theorizing about it and making grandiose claims about commentary on capitalism and post-ironicism and i can't find anyone from pc music saying so



"i mean this kind of music should never be taken seriously either"

i've always genuinely enjoyed most of the artists on pc music. a.g.'s work in particular tends to hit very raw emotional spots for me that other artists don't. that's why I listen to them, personally. i love what their music sounds like, and how it makes me feel. i can talk about why, but i don't think it's any deeper or less deep than most other music. i don't think it's substanceless, but i don't think it has to have a deeper meaning to have substance, just like any other music. that's always been my take. (i wrote a review of one of a.g.'s first mixes like two years ago saying something similar)



i 100% agree that people over-dissect though.

my other contribution is to note that the back-and-forth between avant and pop has precedents like the cahiers du cinema critics calling hawks/hitchcock geniuses, or what happened with andy warhol or whatever. does it make it better? I dunno, but it happened and now we're living in it. Might give you some consolation

my third contribution is that I have to think about this more, but I think there is no such thing as "substanceless" music. I get "substanceless" as a sort of proxy for pointing to some other qualities but it seems like you really mean it in some way