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Album Rating: 4.0
Yeah, the review really put me off. Sure its a little pretentious for Thrice to do this concept EPs, but who cares? The musics great.
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Wow this has garnered lots of discussion.
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Good review, but it doesn't seem to justify a 'poor' rating.
agreed. this is my favorite album of 2007  . but this review is also well written.
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A themed album and a concept album are not necessarily congruent, are they? I can't tell if that's the point you're trying to make or not, because your summary seems to indicate otherwise. Please clarify.
My definition of a concept album is the definition found in Roy Shucker's book [i]Popular Music: The Key Concepts] which defined it as "an album that is ‘unified by a theme, which can be instrumental, compositional, narrative, or lyrical." In that sense, a concept album and a themed album are congruent.
Why are you reviewing your perceived theme of the album? Does it take away from the listening experience? That seems really backwards to me. Please clarify.
First of all, this is the theme of the album as described by the promoter who is paid to represent the band. That being said, if someone were to place a record in front of me and told me it was a concept album, I would listen to the album and try to appreciate the overall theme of the entire album. In that sense, if I didn't feel the theme was that powerful or original, it would take away from the listening experience (at least for me). If you put a regular CD in front of me, I would approach it differently. As I said in my review, I would like the individual songs if they were spread out and not placed back to back with a bunch of other songs that base themselves around the motif of fire and water. In my opinion, the album would have been much better if they had just changed the subject of a lot of the songs. I, however, am not the artist, and I understand that. If Thrice had the artistic goal of writing a bunch of songs about fire and a bunch of songs about water and put them in their own EP, fine. This was my reaction to the overall piece of work. I can write another review about the value of the individual songs and the musicianship of the album and it would be completely different, but thats been done enough.
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You're wayy too good of a writer to be babbling like an idiot. You have lots of potential, more than a lot of writers here, you just need to know how to back you points better than what you did in this review.This Message Edited On 12.03.07
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^^
Yeah that's the impression I get. It just seems he was really trying his best to find reasons to give this a bad rating.
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Yeah, I don't like this near as much as I used to.
Review wasn't that great, reminded me sadly of one I did back in the day.
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Your arguments are just really shoddy overall. Like basically what everyone said applies. You are claiming that every note of deloused lives up to the concept, which is merely not true, and is unnecessary for a concept album anyway, which is why this album doesn't really fail on a conceptual level. You also claim that a concept album basically is required to be reviewed as a whole, when that is simply not the case. Look at The Black Parade; it's nothing special at all in terms of a full album, but there are some cool songs all over it. The concept doesn't make or break the album at all. Like a Coheed album is, in my opinion, completely ruined for a casual listener by paying attention to the concept. A good deal of the people I've met are like "okay these guys need to stop jerking off to D&D". Yet I don't see how you can claim that an album like this fails conceptually when it didn't set out to encompass every facet of Water and Fire, but to just group songs according to their sonic similarities. It's like hating it for what it wasn't intended to be.
Also, you claim that each EP is not varied enough, but isn't that the point? Each EP is based around a fairly specific sound and sonic similarity, so having a huge variety would be detrimental to the theme or concept or whatever anyway. If all three EPs were combined into an album like they otherwise would have been had this been a full length, it wouldn't have that problem, so you can't really fault it for that.
But whatever, act like Tribestos if you'd like. Go through all of the comments in his reviews and see how far that got him 60+ reviews later. This Message Edited On 12.03.07
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Yeah, there are
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Not enough Radiohead comparisons :rolleyes:
But yeah, you didn't talk about the music enough. Like, I wouldn't be able to tell what genre this was from the review, I just have a vague description of 'Fire' being aggressive and 'Water' being chill. You probably should have focused on the actual elements of the music like the production, instrumentation and vocal work a little more.This Message Edited On 12.03.07
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"The Fire EP is about fire and the Water EP is about water."
This statement is genius...
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Does it really take a genius to find out that the songs aren't necessarily about fire and water and actually have a thing called metaphores?
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Hmm. I, for one, really enjoyed reading this. And the comments following it have been a bonus.
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well, what should the fire songs sound like?
if you had to personify fire, most people wold agree it would be aggressive, towering and devastating.
and what should the water songs sound like?
when I think water, i think deep, lush, and tranquil.
sounds to me like your expectations were way off.
i think what you may have neglected was the sonnets.
they are what ties everything in.
please don't post about Volumes III and IV and whine that Earth is acoustic and Air is atmospheric.
ridiculous.
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WTF?!?! a 2? did you listen?
I disagree with the rating, and the suggested songs. The 2 songs off water that you choose are #4 and #5 on that album...
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I haven't read all the comments, but it's likely they're full of flaming for your rating.
Good review though, the only song that I enjoy from this band is "Image of the Invisible"
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Alright, so based on the feedback I'm getting, I see where my review has some problems. Given: I put too much time into analyzing the album as a "concept album." Though I placed a lot of emphasis in my review about how I was disappointed in the album as a concept album, I didn't spend much time on the other elements of the album. I agree that my review overall was lacking in certain areas, but someone has yet to give me a good reason as to why my analysis of the album as a concept album was weak. At some point, the argument is going to come down to my personal opinion, and most of you, being Thrice fans, are going to disagree with it. I have no problem with that. However, my rating was not based solely on the album as a concept album (had it been I would have rated it lower). I felt like the musical aspect of the album didn't need too much mention because there were enough reviews about the music and such, and that my review was long enough. Apparently this is unacceptable when giving a bad review for a Thrice album (seriously guys, lighten up- it's music righ? :] ). I don't plan on changing my rating, but I'll probably update my review to better explain my rating within the next couple of days.
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Hmm, don't have the energy to get involved with this. I'll add my two cents in about the group however; more specifically about their performance last night. Besides it being amazing I felt incredibly ironic holding my lighter up during a track off of the water disc.
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Well it's retarded to not cover the music on an album of music. I mean yeah we've heard it, but obviously something had to have been wrong with the music to warrant a 2/5 rating.
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Phoenix Ignition, A Torch to End All Torches, Stare at the Sun, The Melting Point of Wax, Like Moths to Flame, Red Sky, Atlantic, See You In the Shallows. These are all firey/watery Thrice songs on their previous albums. Kinda makes me think that they aren't doing anything special or new here at all, just same old same old. And the music on this album isn't anything groundbreaking or special anyway.
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