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Tyler
Emeritus
March 14th 2007


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I thought this was one of your better reviews, personally. You managed to go against the grain without it seeming forced.



The biggest thing with this band is the things that you see as a negative, most fans enjoy. I personally love the whole cacophonist thing they've got going, but I know it's not for everyone.

south_of_heaven 11
March 14th 2007


5618 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

Thank you

Is "Jane Doe" similar to this, or is the approach slightly different? I'm in the process of downloading it right now, and from what I understand, it's better...?

Tyler
Emeritus
March 14th 2007


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Jane Doe is just all around better. It has it's "noisey" moments, but on the whole it's a much more focused release. Just listening to it, I really feel for Bannon, if that makes sense.

I always sort of really like Jane Doe, but then one night I was walking home on a really poorly lit street when the title track came on and like, it just fucking hit me. I highly recommend you give it a really, really good listen.

If Jane Doe can't convince you why we like this band, nothing will, hah. And I realize what I said is just so token and cliche but for me it's just one of "those" albums.This Message Edited On 03.13.07

Oddsen
March 14th 2007


1127 Comments


I think people are cool with this review because you approached it and wrote it in a respectful manner. Its not like you did what Iai did and just through your opinion out there in a really harsh, harsh manner. i actually love that review but only because its just like he said "i don't care what the fuck you think, this is waht i strongly believe"

Tyler
Emeritus
March 14th 2007


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

In Iai's defence, his review was written for another site and was really just supposed to be a quick rant on the album. He only posted it here because someone asked him to.

pixiesfanyo
March 14th 2007


1223 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

So, basically this is just Iai's review only you wrote it in a less offensive manner.



To be honest, the album is cohesive as a unit. Just like any other forum of "punk" it is going against the grain of what is considered acceptable and therefore has some merit. I understand you don't enjoy the record or the genre, but it is pointless to review from that stand point.



The review is full of fallacies and in my opinion is just completely false.



Accepted points of not liking this record would be something along the lines of "i am a pussy, and my head was rocked to hard." or "i'd rather listen to something that sounds like everything else in the metal scene.



I really can't comprehend how someone that enjoys aggressive music could not enjoy this. Vocally it is emotional, instrumentally it is technical and innovative, and most of all it just kicks your ass.



I agree with your compliant of cohesion, but it hardly merits the 2/5 rating you gave the album. The only issue with the album is that it's cathartic nature is basically expelled towards the end of Grim Rose and the rest of the album seems like an after thought but even that can be exempted because the songs after Grim Rose still kick ass.



I bet this seems contradicting since I basically wrote a three page essay about why Tool sucks. But to defend my view point on that album, I didn't attack the band for making music of a certain genre. I attacked the band because of how poorly and non-innovative they created that music.



Converge is a premier act in their genre and faulting them for playing a type of music is an unexcusable argument. It'd be like if I reviewed Dragonforce and was like THESE GUYS PLAY POWER METAL THEY SUCK HERE IS WHY POWER METAL SUCKS. You're venting your frustration at a genre not an album and that is just pointless. I won't neg you because that'd take time. But I don't agree with all this circle jerking of an otherwise single minded view.

south_of_heaven 11
March 14th 2007


5618 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

Or I could just not like this album, and attempt to explain why in this review.

pixiesfanyo
March 14th 2007


1223 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Man, go ahead don't like the album that is cool.



Just don't act like you have some viable reason besides that fact you can't get into the genre.



All you do here is criticize a type of music for being that type of music.



That's like being LOL THIS IS NOISE IT SUCKS to Lightning Bolt.

south_of_heaven 11
March 14th 2007


5618 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

I typically don't like Metalcore, that's true. At that Remains, Unearth, and Killswitch Engage interest me, however. Though I'm sure you'd call those the "media" version of Metalcore. So no, I'm not "hating" on a genre, I'm putting forward my reasons as to why I do not like "No Heroes". If I remember correctly, it was you who was telling me that almost no band sounds like Converge, so how is it possible for me to be criticizing an entire genre of music if no one else sounds like them?



You want my reasons for not liking this album? Go through and read the review again, remove any bias you have towards me as an individual, and respect/believe me when I say I'm stating my thoughts on the album, not an entire genre.This Message Edited On 03.13.07

samthebassman
March 14th 2007


2164 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I downloaded this album after seeing the best of 2006 lists from the Sputnik staff, I knew nothing about the band (genre included). You can imagine the shock I got when I first listened to the album, Iam not a fan!

pixiesfanyo
March 14th 2007


1223 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I don't really give a fuck who you are man. If your review is an attack on something that can't be an issue then i'll call you out on it.



KSE and Unearth are the most extreme ends of bands on the metal side of metalcore. Obviously coming from a Slayer background you'll enjoy them because they are most relatable to one of your favorite bands. Converge on the other hand combines the more hardcore side of things with alot of noise and post rock type stuff.



"There seems to be little to none direction on “No Heroes”, and their attempt at ‘controllable chaos’ explodes in their faces repeatedly. "



This is part of the key to the genre of which Converge belongs to. The music seems completely random and chaotic but it is on purpose because it helps cause more tension and power behind the explosions of structure that are on the album.



"Take for example the opening track “Heartache”. While the opening riff is downright brutal, Converge begins to fire off in all directions that almost feels as if you have to focus on one member at a time instead of soaking it in. "



Hey look. Everyone in the band is playing different parts that fit together when put together. Another definition of the "math metal" side of metalcore.



"The vocals are a bit of mix bag overall. While there certainly is an aggressive force pushing out of Jacob Bannon’s mouth, it seems as if they didn’t “up” the volume on it during the mixing stages. It sounds too blended in and very undistinguishable. "



Hey look. Yet another description of the genre which Converge belongs to.



"He’s a bit too harsh, but he slightly redeems himself on “Grim Heart / Black Rose”, with some wonderful clean singing."



OMG. AGAIN!



Seriously you're just going down what the music sounds like and criticizing it for it's attempt of being a certain type of music.



It's pointless.





south_of_heaven 11
March 14th 2007


5618 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

Wow, amazing, everything you just said is what I hear when I listen to this album! Holy sh*t! But I guess you can't hold it against me seeing as how I've never listened to "real Metalcore" before, so I wouldn't know what to be looking for to write a hate review for the genre.



Get over it, dick. I wrote a review for "No Heroes" by Converge, not the whole f*cking Metalcore genre.



I've got a feeling that no matter who writes a negative review about this album, you'll get all fussy and b*tch about it. Grow up.This Message Edited On 03.13.07

pixiesfanyo
March 14th 2007


1223 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Dude.



Do you understand what I'm saying.



With your intention to review the album, you criticize the band for simply just playing a type of music.



That isn't a logical argument.



All of your criticisms are attacks at the genre.



It'd be like reviewing a doom metal album and saying THIS BAND PLAYS TO SLOW.



It doesn't work.

pixiesfanyo
March 14th 2007


1223 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

If someone wrote a review that didn't resort to criticizing the band for playing a type of music and accurately presented a problem with the album then I could vibe with that.



I could see a fan of the band being sick of the band playing the seem excessively aggressive similar type stuff and wanting them to branch out.





south_of_heaven 11
March 14th 2007


5618 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

Then take it this way: I listened to a new kind band today, from a band who I never heard until recently. I know nothing of the rest of the genre, but I didn't really care for what I heard. So, I figured theres more guys out there like me, so I decided to write an objective review on what I found. If you say there's something wrong with that, you should probably go through and post it on about 100 other reviews from other members who have done the same thing without that much b*tching from one person.



I've also got a strong hunch I'd like other Metalcore, just not this.



Problems with the album itself? Besides everything that I stated that you keep tossing to the side as just an attack on their genre, how about these:



I think the production is horrible, the vocalists scream is tiresome, the drummer seems to use the same variations over and over, the bass hardly is heard except for the intro to "Hellbound", and the guitar-work, while impressive, doesn't have a lasting effect.This Message Edited On 03.13.07

pixiesfanyo
March 14th 2007


1223 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Guys check out this new review of Kind Of Blue I wrote..



"Miles Davis plays a trumpet on this recording. Sometimes he plays it modally. I don't really like trumpets or modal playing so this album fails "

south_of_heaven 11
March 14th 2007


5618 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

Read my edit to my comment above.

pixiesfanyo
March 14th 2007


1223 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I think the production is horrible, the vocalists scream is tiresome, the drummer seems to use the same variations over and over, the bass hardly is heard except for the intro to "Hellbound", and the guitar-work, while impressive, doesn't have a lasting effect.



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south_of_heaven 11
March 14th 2007


5618 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

Or is that just another attack on your precious genre?

Intransit
March 14th 2007


2797 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Dudes, chill out. It's music. Pixies, if you don't like his review, you've made your point, do you really have to sit here and repeat the same point over and over? If he doesn't get what you are trying to say now, he probably won't.



soh, just don't let it bother you. One person thought this review sucked, not six. You know what his criticisms were, so just either take them, or leave them.



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