Album Rating: 4.5

'Die With Your Boots On a "semi-classic"? lol really?'



Wow shame on you JT, for someone who generally has some depth when it comes to musical knowledge, you really dropped the ball on this one. Boots was a big song for Maiden throughout the mid eighties or so.



Not referring to you, but you just can't download a bands discog nowadays and expect to have the true essence of what the song or album was really about. Relating it with the times, nostalgia if you will, plays a big role and thats what a lot of the younger folks today are missing. If I heard the whole damn discography in one shot, a song like boots probably wouldn't be at the top of my list either.

Album Rating: 4.5

"Oh yeah, The trooper is atleast top 10 maiden"



Of course. Icarus and Revelations are classics as well.

I think you misunderstood me Titan, I'm not talking about importance, nostalgia or any of that, I'm just saying Die With a Your Boots On is a bad song. None of what you just said counteracts that in any way. If you have to hear it in the context you described to appreciate it (and you even have to admit that you probably wouldn't appreciate it like you do if you hadn't) then clearly it's not even close to a classic.

A classic or even a "semi-classic" doesn't rely on nostalgia or context, it is generally considered timeless, which clearly Die With Your Boots On isn't as you've just said yourself.

Album Rating: 4.5

you didn't get it then......in summary, the song is a semi-classic

No I got it alright.

Album Rating: 4.5

80's metalheads would be shaking their heads at you....seriously

I fail to see the relevance of how living through the 80's would have made me appreciate the song more. It's hardly a semi-classic if it can only be appreciated as such around the time of its release or by those who remember it from that time.

Album Rating: 4.5

you clearly fail to see the relevance, understood.....no one said it can only be appreciated at the time of its release.....that was a generic statement i made about music in general......your misunderstanding of that song is a clear representation of downloading 10 records at once and listening for the first time and not letting them properly breathe



you knock that tune and claim it to be a misstep, but claim AMOLAD is right up there with their classics in a certain respect....don't get me wrong, it's cool that you don't care for it, but don't challenge the fact of where it stands throughout the ranks of heavy metal music......



that's crazy Jamie, dare I say ignorant as well

lmao

I'll respond to that later.

Album Rating: 4.5

now now don't get ruffled, we're just talkin here

"no one said it can only be appreciated at the time of its release.....that was a generic statement i made about music in general......"

I meant that you seem to think that I'd appreciate it as a semi-classic had I been around to experience its release.
After all, this; "Boots was a big song for Maiden throughout the mid eighties or so." seems to be your only argument with regards to me not viewing Die With Your Boots On as anything close to a semi-classic.

"......your misunderstanding of that song is a clear representation of downloading 10 records at once and listening for the first time and not letting them properly breathe"

No it isn't. At the time when I acquired the first 7 Maiden albums I didn't even know how to download an album. I bought one Maiden album at a time and often months (or even a year) apart. So I guess we can disregard this argument as completely irrelevant, yes?

"you knock that tune and claim it to be a misstep, but claim AMOLAD is right up there with their classics in a certain respect....don't get me wrong, it's cool that you don't care for it, but don't challenge the fact of where it stands throughout the ranks of heavy metal music......

that's crazy Jamie, dare I say ignorant as well"

The only argument I can gather from this string of words and your discision to bring up AMOLAD is that you're basically saying it's crazy or even ignorant to think AMOLAD is up there with the classics in a certain respect because the albums from their classic era are older and were more influential/important. And also that it's ignorant for me to criticise the quality of a song simply because it was important in the ranks of heavy metal music. This right here is far more ignorant than anything I have said.

Why not try and explain why to you its ridiculous for me to say that as an album, in terms of cohesiveness and consistency of song writing, AMOLAD is better than Piece of Mind or indeed that Die With Your Boots On isn't a well-written song without resorting to such an irrelevant argument.

Also, I'm not ruffled at all, I enjoy these discussions, otherwise I wouldn't engage in them.

Album Rating: 2.5

AMOLAD is easily the best album with bruce since 7th son

Album Rating: 4.5

'I meant that you seem to think that I'd appreciate it as semi-classic had I been around to experience its release.

After all, this; "Boots was a big song for Maiden throughout the mid eighties or so." seems to be your only argument with regards to me not viewing Die With Your Boots On as anything close to a semi-classic.'



'You confusing your opinion with what is fact JT.





'No it isn't. At the time when I acquired the first 7 Maiden albums I didn't even know how to download an album. I bought one Maiden album at a time and often months (or even a year) apart. So I guess we can disregard this argument as completely irrelevant, yes?'



No, keep listening because your not there yet.



'The only argument I can gather from this string of words and your discision to bring up AMOLAD is that you're basically saying it's crazy or even ignorant to think AMOLAD is up there with the classics in a certain respect because the albums from their classic era are older and were more influential/important. And also that it's ignorant for me to criticise the quality of a song simply because it was important in the ranks of heavy metal music. This right here is far more ignorant than anything I have said.'



'Why not try and explain why to you its ridiculous for me to say that as an album, in terms of cohesiveness and consistency of song writing, AMOLAD is better than Piece of Mind or indeed that Die With Your Boots On isn't a well-written song without resorting to such an irrelevant argument.'



Once again, a crazy and outlandish opinion you have regarding the album. Die With Your Boots On is better than every song on AMOLAD, or at least most. As far as consistency and songwriting is concerned, AMOLAD continues with what Maiden's problem has been since DOD. They continue to meander with over bloated material and made the album way too long (all of their newer material actually). You seem to think it's consistent. There's no question why fans were a little bored on that tour as well since they decided to play it in its entirety. I happened to NOT be one of those fans though as I do indeed enjoy the record. Piece Of Mind contributed to what heavy metal has become as well and influenced many acts that came later. Revelations and The Trooper are arguably two of the best heavy metal songs of all time as well. You can't take any songs off of AMOLAD and hold them in that light. It has become a coaster for most coffee tables actually, again, even though I love it. If you feel my comment is ignorant, than damn right I'm an ignant bitch!



I can't believe I'm still even contesting this.

Album Rating: 4.5

If Maiden said they were playing Piece Of Mind in its entirety, it would be big news. If they announced that they would be playing AMOLAD again, it would struggle to sell out and detract a lot of 'classic' fans.

Album Rating: 4.5

oh no OPINIONS

Album Rating: 4.5

Damn guys, your dialogue almost feels longer than a modern Maiden LP. Personally, I enjoy AMoLAD as much as PoM which is a lot. For some weird reason though, I have PoM as a classic in my mind because it's an excellent album that was released in the classic era of the band.



I also think you're both a bit biased towards the albums you defend because they're probably the ones that were released at the time when you were young dudes and really getting into the band. That's perfectly reasonable because music is far from notes and shit, and we should get emotionally attached to it. Having said that, PoM is a bit inconsistent to me and AMoLAD feels bloated and has an average production. But inconsistency doesn't make an album less of a classic and bloated doesn't make the music worse.



Finally, what also makes PoM a classic for me is the hypothesis (because I'm not sure it's fact) that has gotten a lot of guys into Maiden, has a couple of iconic tracks which AMOLAD doesn't and finds each member on his prime. Therefore it has a higher status than AMoLAD in my eyes but doesn't make it necessarily better.

"You confusing your opinion with what is fact JT."

No I'm not. I didn't even dispute your supposed fact.


"No, keep listening because your not there yet."

Well you didn't reference this point once in the rest of your comment so I'm assuming you meant to say "yes, we can disregard that argument as irrelevant".

"Piece Of Mind contributed to what heavy metal has become as well and influenced many acts that came later. Revelations and The Trooper are arguably two of the best heavy metal songs of all time as well."

Therefore it must be more cohesive and consistent? Obviously not. Yet another irrelevant point.

Everything else is your opinion, shared by some and not by others. But I'm glad to see you've done away with all of your previous arguments.

Album Rating: 4.5

so in summary, AMOLAD >>>>> POM