you can argue that since no one here was a witness to the crimes, its all his word against theres. but its been largely suggestive that narritives like Hands Up Dont Shoot were false, and never really corrected by the groups that fed into it. all that did was seed a false situation of death even with compliance. yet at the same time this does occur, so perhaps these groups were worried retracting it dismisses what actually goes on.

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"Doesn't discredit the truthfulness of an entire movement and its voice at all honestly. there's nothing airtight about the department of justice and their findings."



Airtight? How about innocent until proven guilty also applies to cops. I'm not denying that there is a police-brutality problem in the US and I also think that there are racially targeted policies, but many of the BlM ppl have lost all sense of proportion and rationality.

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"hard to call them "utterly false narratives" when they were distorted in every which way by various media outlets and commentators"



It's really not. You clearly didn't watch the Trayvon Martin trial (i did). The forensic evidence was undeniable. The only non-discredited witness supported Zimmermans story. I don't just watch the news and it's lazy as fuck for you to just assume the case was ambiguousnoutnof ignorance.



The DOJ explained forensic evidence also showed the hands up don't shoot narrative was a complete lie.



It's not conjecture. It's actually knowing the basics of topics you speak on. Your ignorance/arrogance regarding Trayvon/brown is appalling. You clearly don't know the first thing about either case and are just parroting MSNBC talking points. Watch the fucking trial for the love of God.

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"odd that you find yourself so comfortable flinging turds, yet reel as soon as you even catch a hint of anyone else doing it (even when the projectile you claim them to throw is still lodged somewhere in the colon)"



Nice how you're just letting the "Ed thinks all the Muslims are Terrorists" thing linger there.



Also I'm now convincend that you think it's okay to sleep with minors, and I know this because you implied this. I will mention this regularly.

meh this is so cyclical, but i think its a worthwhile discussion

"yet at the same time this does occur, so perhaps these groups were worried retracting it dismisses what actually goes on."


yep, it's a delicate balancing act. with so many people so keen to discredit the movement, retracting would be seen as admitting the whole movement is false

@key but its dangerous to use a lie as a spotlight example to your cause. i think thats one of the reasons people are reluctant with BLM and its sister movements. really tricky situation in that either action they would take upon hearing the trial and evidence provided would probably dilute the movement's credibility

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"and so have you if you believe an entire movement incredulous due to the actions of its most "radical" and outspoken proponents"



Who am I to go by then? Very convenient when your whole movement has no real official platform and no real spokesperson and you can always say: "Nu-hu, ain't got nothin to do with us." Again I don't think everyone who identifies with BLM is a black supremacist, but I do think that the reasonable people have been mostly overtaken by crazy "Uhuru" type of guys.



Let's be real, if Trump idiots would go out right now and kill some Mexicans would we really let that slip and say... we'll can't really blame Donald Trump for that? Or would we complain about the vile and toxic political climate he has helped to establish.

@mod agree, though its most definitely closer to a lie then truth. but i'm not pretending that applies to every police shooting of unarmed black men, just the one that happen to be the focus. thats really the point i was making

'Let's be real, if Trump idiots would go out right now and kill some Mexicans would we really let that slip and say... we'll can't really blame Donald Trump for that? Or would we complain about the vile and toxic political climate he has helped to establish.'

the latter!

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"not at all, but a lot of things you've said in the past portray you as someone that holds the white race in much higher esteem than the rest, or at least someone that perceives there to be "stronger" and "weaker" cultures."



Yeah I think cultures that don't practice fucking kids, raping/beating women and throwing homsexuals off roofs are inferior to secular democracies with human rights. Somehow that makes me a white supremacist, even though western culture isn't all white.



You're arguments are lame as fuck dude, your formal/mannered tone isn't camaflouging this. You're just derailing this thread with baseless accusations.



"and a lot of your opinions do have a supremacist bent."



0 evidence. how can you be sure you don't just imagine my comments have a supremacist bent because I speak truth re Trayvon Martin while you are a appallingly ignorant plebe who can't even acknowledge the most basic facts of the trial? You can't.



"doesn't discredit the truthfulness of an entire movement and its voice at all honestly. there's nothing airtight about the department of justice and their findings."



What a shameless copout/backtrack. You just claimed the Mike Brown trial was unfairly distorted because there was too much media spin. Now you're questioning the department of Justice and forensic evidence, and changing the subject to "well that doesn't discredit the entire movement"



You're a waste of time dude. You have no integrity. I didn't discredit BLM with ad hominem or strawmans I called out your appalling ignorance and BLM's appalling ignorance re Trayvon. You couldn't do shit but say "nuh uh" and try to avoid the topic.

"@key but its dangerous to use a lie as a spotlight example to your cause. i think thats one of the reasons people are reluctant with BLM and its sister movements. really tricky situation in that either action they would take upon hearing the trial and evidence provided would probably dilute the movement's credibility"

yep Spacedude. it's a pretty tight spot to be in and it's messed up, but that's the nature of the beast when they're being suppressed and misrepresented at every turn. not exactly an easy decision to make, pretty much damned if u do damned if u don't

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"Unless you don't believe in free will, in which case your view would most likely be preordained."



I'm a determinist.



Also you believe it's okay to have sexual relations with minors, because you implied this somwhere, won't bother looking it up.

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Dude there were two witnesses in the Martin trial. One's story matched forensic evidence which was crystal clear (the exit wound showed the bummer entered his chest not his back) and one didn't. You're just trying to hide behind vague talking points. It had nothing to do with the legal teams, it wasn't ambiguous, and forensics evidence was indeed undeniable unless you're dumb enough to think that in 2016 we can't tell if someone got shot in the front or back based on an exit wound.



Your pseudo-intellectual Bullshit is nauseating. Name a single "fact of the matter" that made the case ambiguous. You can't. You just speak out of your ass and hope no one will call you out then rely on vague shirt useless answers to avoid answering.



"if there were complete information, there needn't have been a long, highly-publicised trial"



Stupidest fucking logic I've ever heard. The length and publicity of the trial has no relation to the one-sidedness of the evidence. You must think the OJ Simpson trial had a lot of evidence on both sides. Dear god dude your arguments are pathetic

Big L in 1995

Yo, on the scene is the brother that's big, I'm not a little kid
I'm a nig who don't dig a muthafuckin pig
Cause to me they ain't nothin but harassers
That misuse they badges to whip niggas' asses
Then one day they slow rolled through the hood
With the .38s cocked, 2 deep, up to no good
They say that my skin was black so they attacked
Threw me on the back and stuck a gat to my fuckin cap
One murdered my man like it was okay
For the life he ended he got suspended with no pay
But if a man woulda took the cop life, he woulda got life
And never again see the street lights, and that's trife

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If lambs thinks that European/American secular culture is superior to other cultures, that doesn't means he thinks that this is because of the fact that the white people in those countries are superior. (or that the same culture couldn't just as well be in a nation comprised of black-skinned people exclusively)



So I don't really think you can call him a White supremacist/Racist unless you're deviating from the dictionary definition, because his prejudice isn't based on ethnicity.

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"no, but he believes the norms of those white people are greater than those of the coloured --> he believes the macrosocial thought process(es) of those white people are greater than those of the coloured i.e. he believes white society to be better than that of those coloured"



But from what I can see, he doesn't beleive that it has anything to do with the race of the people.

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Western culture takes knowledge and culture from Asia, the Middle East, Africa, S America and elsewhere. Japan is a western country for all relevant purposes.



Impressive job at ignoring the rest of my argument. Sorry but preferring western culture to a culture that legally rapes women is not being a white supremacist, it's being someone who isn't a spineless cuck who kowtows to the idea that "all cultures are equal" when they obviously aren't.



The media spin of Mike Brown has nothing to do with the DOJ findings. You backtracked 100%.



"why hinge an entire argument on a single case anyways? " uh because they were the two cases that started the fucking movement......?!?





Anyone reading this conversation can see the devious tactics you go through to avoid debating like an adult. Thanks for wasting my time. I hope there is a hell so you can go there.

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ITT modpaxk claims that we can't tell in 2016 whether a bullet entered someone's chest or back.



/endthread

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European culture is far far more secular relative to Islamic culture etc., if is the most secular culture to ever exist. You are an obtuse ostrich.





"Lambs thinks it's bad for cultures to kill homosexuals



Therefore he believes in phrenology and is just like Hitler."



You're a despicible asswipe dude, honestly. You're an intellectual lightweight who gets by with a snobby/pretentious tone and passive aggressive insults based on baseless accusations of racism. You're the Rachel Maddow of Sputnik