Album Rating: 4.0
Debate's healthy to do, sometimes it helps you just realize why you do believe the things you do. I'm a Christian and wasn't until college where I started analyzing things I've been taught my whole life and why I believed them.
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Album Rating: 4.5
haha it's all good with me JWT.
and you're right in technical debate terms, but the Sput is a different ball game. if the average user rating of an album here is anywhere around 4, 95% of the time that means the album is pretty darn good. and there's at least good reason to question any opinion that differs so radically from the majority, especially when it fails to back itself up well.
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Album Rating: 2.0
Vast majority? What the people who rated this highly? The majority of them signed up and proceeded to leave after rating it. Also this made me lol
metal-dominated site
Metalcore=Metallic-Hardcore so really the opinions of a bunch of basement dwelling metalheads most of whom aren't over 16 doesn't really interest me much, especially considering most of them think bands like BMTH are Deathcore.
Also maybe if you'd listened to any metalcore pre-2004 you might realise that your supposed "main formula" is a load of shit and that just because you don't listen to any metalcore bands who rose to fame prior to the existence of myspace doesn't make you right. Here's a thought in the 20 years metalcore's been around have a look at any band from 1989-2003 and tell me how well your main formula applies there. If I take every band to have played a hybrid of metal and hardcore I'm gonna find your myspace-core style greatly outweighed in quantity by the preceeding styles that still continue this day.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Also maybe if you'd listened to any metalcore pre-2004 you might realise that your supposed "main formula" is a load of shit and that just because you don't listen to any metalcore bands who rose to fame prior to the existence of myspace doesn't make you right. Here's a thought in the 20 years metalcore's been around have a look at any band from 1989-2003 and tell me how well your main formula applies there. If I take every band to have played a hybrid of metal and hardcore I'm gonna find your myspace-core style greatly outweighed in quantity by the preceeding styles that still continue this day.
hmmm...that's probably why i termed it the "current main formula" CURRENT. did you catch that word there? cuz it just rendered your entire post irrelevant.
Melissa: haha--please tell us you're reading this. you know we're only doing it for your entertainment ;-) lol
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Album Rating: 2.0
Except it isn't current because most of those good bands that pre-date myspacecore are still around, so oh yeah you still don't know.
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Album Rating: 4.5
lol nice try. most of the metalcore bands being formed nowadays use the formula i described, that's all i said. and you'd be a fool to try to argue against that, it's obvious.
also, you're still assuming i've never heard any pre-2004 myspace metalcore. which happens to be extremely false in my case.
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Album Rating: 2.0
Uh huh, sure you have Converge doesn't count, everyone's heard them. Screw it, I'm taking the Mappy route with this, to emphasize my point about you not knowing metalcore and the distinct flaw in your "main formula" description. Allow the great Matthew Fox to speak for me;
“Metalcore,” the actual genre in 2008 doesn’t usually seem like a hybrid of hardcore and metal as much as it just seems like metal, only written by people who imitate it rather than love it, typically resulting in trite and shallow music. If this accurately describes “metalcore” then we clearly do not embrace the term. Conversely, if Earth Crisis and Deadguy define “metalcore, ” count us in.
I'd put $40 on the majority of "metalcore" bands you claim follow your formula probably fit into that category of metal+breakdowns in which case I will point out that they've got no hardcore elements and that you're still wrong, because you aren't listening to metalcore. The end.
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Album Rating: 4.5
whatever man. if you want to be a genre-whore, go right ahead. i'll rephrase my term just to indulge you: the "scene which currently describes itself as metalcore" uses the formula i described. i'm still right either way. and notice i never said that the formula was inherently good, i said it had to be applied correctly for it to be good.
btw i wasn't talking about Converge (even though they do count, it doesn't matter who's heard them). would naming names convince you?
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Album Rating: 2.0
Sure would although it'd still make you wrong because the majority of metalcore bands don't play what you think they do. And you still don't know what makes good metalcore. But yeah I'd love to hear which bands you've heard.
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Album Rating: 2.0
oh palace of wisdom...open 24/7
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Album Rating: 4.5
the majority of metalcore bands don't play what you think they do.
but the majority of CURRENT metalcore (or at least self-proclaimed metalcore) bands do play that. i thought i'd made that point clear already.
As far as metalcore bands:
Poison The Well
Dillinger Escape Plan
Botch
Zao
Heaven Shall Burn
Converge
Unearth
Dead To Fall
Every Time I Die
love 'em all.
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opinions are cool
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Album Rating: 2.0
As far as metalcore bands:
Poison The Well
Dillinger Escape Plan
Botch
Zao
Heaven Shall Burn
Converge
Unearth
Dead To Fall
Every Time I Die
love 'em all.
Yay you've proven my point, especially with your decree that you "love 'em all". So I'll break this down really easily you listen to some of the worst metalcore bands out, however, seeing some of these bands has explained to me why you like this shit and for that to be fully understood I'll go in-depth;
Poison the Well popularized breakdown-centric metalcore, they also sucked terribly. One could say the style played by ABR is greatly influenced by them, too bad it sucked 11 years ago when PTW did it and since then hasn't really gotten beter. DEP, Botch and Converge can be skipped as 1 those bands are good and 2 you've only heard them because somewhere here told you to. Zao has one album worth listening to but congrats you've so far listed one band who don't play a terrible style of metalcore. HSB suck, Unearth are a prime example of a thrash band throwing in breakdowns and calling it metalcore, they aren't they're a joke. Dead to Fall is passable but again suffers from the same problem as PTW being that their style isn't any good especially considering one of their members was in 7A7P and every time I die are boring too.
Here's a suggestion go listen to these bands instead;
Hopesfall
7 Angels 7 Plagues
Shai Hulud
Earth Crisis
Integrity
The Banner
Gaza
Rorschach
Early-Cave In
Coalesce
Deadguy
Hatebreed
Fear Before
Knut
Skycamefalling
Early-Between the Buried and Me
Misery Signals
Underoath
Architects
All of those bands play actual metalcore, more to the point they play good metalcore and for the record several of them are "popular" which I assume you consider to mean the same as "current" a ton of these bands are still around so I guess that makes them "current". The point is if you listened to more bands like the ones I mentioned you might realise how bad of an album this is.
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Album Rating: 3.5
To be honest Shai Hulud is a perfect example of metalcore.
But I never said that, i'm not adding to this debate in any way/shape/form, in fact I was never here.
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Album Rating: 4.5
current, if you weren't aware, means "recent", not "popular."
and as to your list:
Hopesfall: love them, but they ain't metalcore. they're post-hardcore.
7A7P: they're good, but only made 1 album i think? they need to have at least a few good albums to be a classic metalcore band to me.
Shai Hulud: good, but more hardcore really.
Earth Crisis: don't like them.
Coalesce: excellent.
Hatebreed: ugh. and they're more hardcore too.
Cave In: they're kinda soft for metalcore.
Fear Before: they're almost exclusively post-2004.
All BTBAM kills.
Misery Signals: also almost exclusively post-2004. they're quite good though.
Underoath: is great. but they're latest 2 albums are by far their best, which both happen to be post-2004.
Architects: are good, but also post-2004.
...and i still love Constellations.
i'll check out the other albums you metioned, but unless any of them are catchier than Constellations, it's not gonna matter.
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Album Rating: 4.5
and even if Constellations wasn't metalcore, i would still like it for whatever it was.
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Album Rating: 3.0
How is Shai Hulud not metalcore
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I was sort of with ThePalaceOfWisdom until he namedropped hatebreed
what.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Shai Hulud is a mix of hardcore and metalcore. it's pretty good too.
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Album Rating: 3.0
Nothing wrong with Hatebreed. In small doses, at least.
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