Refused The Shape Of Punk To Come
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Relinquished
June 16th 2010


50143 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

lol

Enotron
June 16th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

yeah but Iggy Pop was around a little before them, shit even Velvet Underground if you count them.

eternium
June 16th 2010


16358 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

No, The Stooges were around pretty much the exact same time as Black Sabbath, but they were never true punk anyway and didn't influence Black Sabbath. Black Sabbath was influenced by heavy blues more than anything.

Helvete
June 16th 2010


1354 Comments


^ that

eternium
June 16th 2010


16358 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Punk may have reached the mainstream, but there are still bands that stick to its original ethics and attitudes. In fact, this album was written as a response to mainstream punk in the '90s.

Enotron
June 16th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

to me honestly punk is just about playing music unabashed and passionately, but I suppose that's too vague. Regardless, I have no interest in it's relationship to class and what not.

StrizzMatik
June 16th 2010


4239 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

You know that was good, but Obama had the best speech of all time last night.


I didn't see it, I've been completely ignoring anything to do with politics of any kind because it disgusts me to even listen to it now. Kill them all, I say.



I didn't properly reply before, but I was going to say that Shape Of Punk To Come is one of the newer albums that was an exception to the rule in terms of putting their money where their mouths were. As for the metal thing, their roots (heavy/slow blues) were around a little bit before the proto-punk bands (MC5, The Stooges, Velvet Underground, NY Dolls, Death, etc.), metal definitely had nothing to do with punk. In fact, punk rock was partially formed BECAUSE of bands like Zeppelin, Sabbath, etc. and prog bands with their super-bloated song suites, wankery, and musical stagnation. They saw it as shameless egotism and made their own three-chord songs to kinda give that scene the finger, so to speak.

Captain North
June 17th 2010


6793 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

^From what I've heard it was mainly cos of the prog bands, but yeah fair enough. I think I meant thrash metal, which I know doesn't really count for all of it.



But yeah, to me punk is about the passion. It may not be the true definition, but I think that's what it has become.

FreePizzaDay
June 17th 2010


1525 Comments


Not all hardcore is middle-class. I was just listening to Minor Threat the other day, and they were definitely working-class people who had at least some resentment built up towards some of their more privileged peers.

I think that at least nowadays, hardcore and punk fans don't belong to any one socioeconomic status. Just like rap, the genres have grown to be so large and accessible that it's become easy for everyone to find something they like within that genre.

Maniac!
July 4th 2010


28609 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I can't believe how long it took me to listen to this.... This is just freaking awesome... Only 2 songs in and it feels like a 4.5 at least.

acorncheese
July 4th 2010


7139 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

^It's a 5. That is all.

eternium
July 4th 2010


16358 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

It's a 5 bro.

Maniac!
July 4th 2010


28609 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Like I said ... at least.



Let me finish the album before I 5 it

eternium
July 4th 2010


16358 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Tannhauser/Derive will make you 5 it.

acorncheese
July 4th 2010


7139 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

The second half of this album is honestly as solid as they come. The first half is solid, too, of course, but the second half is something else.

Romulus
July 4th 2010


9117 Comments


This is one of those 4.5-5 continuum albums for me

Maniac!
July 4th 2010


28609 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I don't listen to punk... so this is just blowing my mind. The only punk that I have liked is Bad Brains and this.





Time to research more.

eternium
July 4th 2010


16358 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Minor Threat, Dead Kennedys, Fugazi, Drive Like Jehu, Jawbox, The Clash, Black Flag, Husker Du, The Ramones, and all the good modern hardcore.



Whatever of those you don't already have.

Maniac!
July 4th 2010


28609 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Fugazi vocals really get on my nerves... is that abnormal?

sexualsoybean
July 5th 2010


931 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Pitchfork has an amazing minidoc up right now with footage of refused's last show. Pretty sick, check it out.



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