Album Rating: 4.5
well maybe the progression was slightly forced, but does that make it inherently bad? no. if it sounds cool, who cares if it's a bit out of character, or if it's been done before?
and what did you really expect? after the chugga-chugga fest that was Messengers, did you really think there would be a perfectly seemless transformation into progressive metalcore?
Constellations is basically the same thing Messengers was, with some progression added. nothing wrong with that.
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Album Rating: 4.0
I'll agree with flow problems in this album, tracks definitely don't flow seemlessly and it does play more like a collection of songs then a 40 minute experience, I just happen to think their a bunch of good random thrown together songs.
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Album Rating: 2.0
This is where the fun begins;
well maybe the progression was slightly forced, but does that make it inherently bad? no.
Inherently bad? no. Bland and predictable? Yes.
if it sounds cool
It doesn't.
who cares if it's a bit out of character, or if it's been done before?
I don't care if it's done before, I care if it's been done better, which it has.
and what did you really expect?
A bad album and wow I got one.
after the chugga-chugga fest that was Messengers, did you really think there would be a perfectly seemless transformation into progressive metalcore?
No, because progressive metalcore doesn't exist and after hearing Messengers I thought I'd get the same crap I've heard from bands like this for years, I was pleasantly unsurprised.
Constellations is basically the same thing Messengers was, with some progression added. nothing wrong with that.
Constellation is basically the same as Messengers; A BAD ALBUM.
They didn't add any progression they mashed pieces of other genres into their sound in the most ham-handed manner possible, there's a lot wrong with it and the first part is you calling it a progression, it isn't a progression it's just a really bad idea.
August Burns Red's attempts at progression are about as effective as fixing a broken axle with duct-tape.
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Album Rating: 3.5
I think the songs on their own are actually better than playing the album as a whole, but that's just me.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Taylor: you seriously need to stop making absolute statements when you give no absolute basis for them. you already know we're gonna disagree about the album anyway.
even if i think your opinion is incorrect, my problem is with your review. not your opinion.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Melissa: it could certainly be more cohesive. it could be a lot more fractured too though, so i don't really have a problem with it.
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Album Rating: 3.5
Look, at the end of the day you and myself enjoy the album for what it is. Taylor doesn't, which is also fine. I think we should just move on.
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Album Rating: 2.0
you seriously need to stop making absolute statements when you give no absolute basis for them.
Practice what you preach. You made a bunch of absolute statements with no basis. I can do the exact same, the difference is I have much more experience with this genre of music than you do.
And yeah Mel I'll move on as soon as I stop having to deal with idiots (and no stan that isn't you) who admit knowing next to nothing about this type of music and trying to tell me I'm wrong.
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Album Rating: 4.5
ok forgive me for getting philosophical Melissa, but move on to what? this is what sputnik is here for, these types of discussions.
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Album Rating: 3.5
I'm all for discussion of music but this debate between you 2 will probably not end. Nevermind go for it, I can't actually stop you.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Palace: so you have much more experience with this, huh? and why would you bring that up? so that you have some authority for telling me why this is bad?
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Album Rating: 4.0
You realize that claiming you know more about this subject then other people is baseless, arrogant and really only hurts your argument, that's debating 101 dude. Discrediting your opponent by just saying you know more is just a really juvenile form of an argument.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Melissa: it's just that the users here that preach "live and let live" are the same people that constantly tell other users to quit debating with each other. i always found that quite ironic. glad to see you have the good sense to see past that though ;-) lol
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Album Rating: 4.5
you got it JWT. if Taylor is claiming to know more about the genre than everyone else, the only purpose he could have in saying that is to try to prove to us that our opinions are wrong.
...which completely defeats his own argument that people should respect his "opinion." if he's gonna attack my opinion, i'm perfectly legitimized in attacking his.
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Album Rating: 2.0
Yeah basically. Look the fact is you've read my review and you don't like it. I've read yours and it's full of a bunch of false assumptions about this type of music, face facts; you don't know metalcore. That's why you're impressed by something like this which is a generic dime-a-dozen album. Obviously you need an example;
The current main formula--chugging power chords, intense leads, and frenetic drumming--is not difficult in and of itself, as evidenced by the massive amount of bands in the genre.
Statements like this tell me you know fuck all about Metalcore. This isn't the "current main formula" to metalcore that's the formula for "bad" metalcore. You obviously haven't heard any good metalcore because if you had you'd know that any band worth your attention sounds nothing like this.
claiming to know more about the genre than everyone else
Everyone else =/= you and the other people who've proven they know fuck all about this type of music.
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Album Rating: 4.0
And to believe you can extract the knowledge of a persons understanding on an expansive subject based on one scentence that he could probably rebutle and support differently is yet another juvenile argument. I've taken debating classes, multiple college level english courses set only on writing persuasives papers and am an active member for my University's Republican debating squad. So you can go on about how you know more about metalcore if you like but you suck at proving it.
EDIT: For starters, you don't know scorpion so attempting to disprove his intelligence on metalcore is unlikely and will be hard to do. To prove your point, you'd need to explain more about yourself and your knowledge of it and how you came about to kbowing this. Obviously you've not yet given personal examples and putting the argument off to discrediting the opposition which forces me to assume you have no proof to support yourself with unless proven otherwise. Haaaaaaaaaaa... I need to breath.
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Album Rating: 2.0
So you can go on about how you know more about metalcore if you like but you suck at proving it.
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=33928
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=33940
there's your proof.
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Album Rating: 4.5
oh ok Taylor, so i guess this isn't about respecting opinions anymore. it's about who's right and who's wrong. which is totally cool with me. so in that case...
i was right. what i stated is quite true--that is the current main formula. my point was that there are good ways to apply that formula, and there are bad ways. and the case i made in my review is that ABR applied it very well. obviously there are other metalcore bands that stray from the main formula. some are good and some are bad. but they are not near as common, hence why they are not part of the main formula.
also if there were more people on your side here, i might take you more seriously. but seeing as this is a metal-dominated site and the vast majority agrees with me? i'd say you're more likely the one with the wrong side of the debate.
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Album Rating: 4.0
And sorry scorpion but it's a faulty argument to use a majority argument to prove your right. I'm sure a majority of German citizens in 1944 though Hitler was a good guy but that doesn't hold water. While arguing, even though I'm on your side Scorpion, I like to play the devil's advocate just to make sure everyone's arguments are sound and logical, my neighbors in my dorm were philosophy majors last year so I'm in habit of doing this now.
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Album Rating: 3.5
(whistling a tune)
Nevermind me guys, just passing through
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