Album Rating: 2.5

@flugmorph lmfao

Album Rating: 4.5

Speaking about Nirvana specifically (because this is a thread about one of their albums and fuck Oasis), we all know that they were naughty and took riffs from all over, but it's what they did with them... 'Come as You Are' is an amazing song, regardless of its Killing Joke origins--it is in NO WAY the same song as 'Eighties', it's closer to hip-hop sampling in taking something that exists and completely recontextualising it into a new piece of art.

It was something that worked very well for them.

Album Rating: 5.0

All I’m saying is if you focus too much on the technicalities of the music, you completely miss what made the band so important, unique and absolutely impossible to replicate.



The impact the band (Nirvana) had was unlike anything you can compare it to in the last 30 odd years and was amplified by the music itself resonating to all and sundry.



With Oasis it was the fact a couple of brothers who without any forced ideals liked having a laugh, football, clothes, booze and birds while making anthems which connected to millions of people.



The music despite being amazing becomes secondary because the people who are making it are real and in it for the right reasons.

Album Rating: 2.5

imagine defending an album that was released a year after Facelift when the latter is and always will be clearly better

Album Rating: 5.0

When I first heard Facelift it was around 1992. Man In The Box absolutely exploded from the speakers it was fucking amazing. I remember it clearly because it was that good.

Still not a patch on this though, it didn’t ‘rock’ as much.

Album Rating: 4.2

old man yells at cloud (Con't pg 176)

Album Rating: 2.5

@zakalwe crazy that you think this is better, i get you tho, youngens

Album Rating: 5.0

Yelling at the whispy cirrus like opinions of you brats

Album Rating: 2.5

i cant think of one Nirvana song thats better than anything from Facelift tbh

"How massive and culturally shaping music was is a complete outside context problem for people under the age of 40"
okay so let's reduce that to one label-inflated figurehead and brush over how he was a """product""" of a decade's worth of burgeoning alternative music because it's cute to get those rose-tinted specs on and pretend he was the sole reason the stereotype of the bored, dissenting 90s teenager finally turned into something empowering
no shade on Kurt himself - dude was humble and open about his influences and had relationships of mutual respect with a load of them (Kim Gordon has this sweet but totally heartbreaking passage about how she basically viewed him as a troubled younger brother, or something to that effect). key part of the whole nirvana mythos is that the guy was absolutely out of control of his own narrative, it's so cheap to pedestal him as some bullshit zeitgeist architect youth messiah with the benefit of all that hindsight when a) he was talented enough not to need it and b) you spend half your time on this goshdarned site barking at industry stooges and kids inflated beyond their station. makes me really depressed at points to see you buy so heavily into one of the alltime tragic narratives of an unassuming guy being fucked over by the Man (ft. courtney) as though it's a relative bastion of authenticity
but it does bang so

Album Rating: 3.5

“imagine defending an album that was released a year after Facelift when the latter is and always will be clearly better”



go off.

Album Rating: 2.5

its eternally better you cant refute that

Album Rating: 4.5

@JohnnyoftheWell—He was simultaneously all that AND a massive cultural influence/youth messiah/whatever, because he was cultivated to be so. Thing about being young is, you’re there to be played… the labels and the “grunge” thing were massively pushed to the forefront and Kurt, unwilling as he seemed to be, was its figurehead.

Album Rating: 3.5

oh no you’re totally right. This record is overrated as hell.

In Utero on the other hand…

Load up on guns

Album Rating: 4.5

shotguns

Album Rating: 5.0

The difference lies in the fact that Cobain had already been fucked over by the man prior to entering the shitstem. Flitting about trying to find his place.



He was many things, certainly not anyone to idolise by the way he lived his life but he was a representation of ‘the lost’ smashing it to the masses by being up on the stage and screaming and being part of an authentic change…..later latched onto by the suits and sold on as product which is all people have left now.



It was genuine. Then he blew his head off and everything had become lost and what once was is now myth.

Album Rating: 3.5

bring your friends

Album Rating: 5.0

The impact was just what it was, I don’t think people even need to say whether it was a good thing or not in retrospect, if you were there at the time it swept you along



You don’t get anything like it now in music for ‘all the kids’, too splintered



I mean Black Country New Road, will have the lasting cultural impact of Arcade Fire basically (not a lot). Nothing to do with the quality of music really

@isisscript oh yeah for sure! and that mix of sincerity and naivety was as key to who he rly was as to his appeal. i don't think he was a stooge or that it needs to diminish him to foreground how much he was played; mainly reacting to how ridiculous it romanticise him as someone who "single-handedly changed the cultural zeitgeist", which imo is distinctly different from (correctly) acknowledging him as a figure head