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rodrigo90
June 16th 2017


7387 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

W... why wouldn't you consider the voice an adequate instrument?



Because he listened the first part of rosetta stoned and he came to that conclusion.

Rik VII
June 16th 2017


4130 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"Because your definition of an instrument involves it being an object (so separate from the body)?







Not saying I agree but it isn't a complicated concept or anything"



Yeah, the stretch is on "adequate". I get that it isn't an object, but that doesn't make it worth less. There are a lot of bands where the vocalist's musical talent is much more required than, say, the drummer's. Saying Maynard isn't a real musician because he's only a vocalist is like ... I'm really looking for a fitting comparison, but don't find one because it's just absurd.

You know, it would imply that an a-capella band aren't musicians and that their voices can't be considered as "instruments", and the former is offensive and regarding the latter, I think they can

TalonsOfFire
Emeritus
June 16th 2017


21032 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

It's complicated just in the sense that people have different detailed ways of thinking about it. I think the discussion about it in this thread is evidence of that. But yes singers are musicians.

Rik VII
June 16th 2017


4130 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I think what I meant to say was that a voice is not an instrument in a physical sense, but it is used as an instrument, both by the composer and by the vocalist himself, thus making it pointless to differentiate between vocals and instruments in the ways of handling them in theory. I hope that makes sense.

ZombieToyDuck
June 16th 2017


7203 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Nice to see some respect for vocalists in a thread, agreed that they are musicians as well. Definitely not easy to be a vocalist.

Kalopsia
June 16th 2017


3384 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

on an unrelated note, i hear it's pretty hard to fellate yourself

Rik VII
June 16th 2017


4130 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

You mean like this? https://fanart.tv/fanart/music/66fc5bf8-daa4-4241-b378-9bc9077939d2/cdart/nima-516cfdbddf7bd.png

SCREAM!
June 16th 2017


15755 Comments


"I think what I meant to say was that a voice is not an instrument in a physical sense, but it is used as an instrument, both by the composer and by the vocalist himself, thus making it pointless to differentiate between vocals and instruments in the ways of handling them in theory. I hope that makes sense."

I think I pretty much agree here. A musician is someone who makes music and vocalist definitely do this along with the rest of the band. However, that doesn't mean I'd necessarily consider vocals an instrument (even though I agree wit hyou that they can be used like one).

Ehhh

rodrigo90
June 17th 2017


7387 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I'm not actually a person who constantly cries but there's something about Maynard in the patient or right in two that makes me almost break into tears in any moment.

SCREAM!
June 17th 2017


15755 Comments


https://youtu.be/fj-10lIrboM

It's not even an official video but it fits the song so well

Dewinged
Emeritus
June 18th 2017


33246 Comments


I love Maynard's choice of being a little bit in the backlights, the whole Tool presence on stage becomes really powerful. The two times I saw them they were brilliant.

Orb
June 18th 2017


9782 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Things most good bands do ^

rodrigo90
June 19th 2017


7387 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

There, I erase the ratings, now my hatred towards tool is complete.

Kalopsia
June 19th 2017


3384 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

yeah who cares

rodrigo90
June 19th 2017


7387 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

No, I'm not

rodrigo90
June 19th 2017


7387 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I'm tired of wasting my time expecting a new album, and Maynard's egocentric personality, I'm happy listening to meshuggah.

TheSpaceMan
June 19th 2017


13614 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I'm sorry it bothers you so much

Dewinged
Emeritus
June 19th 2017


33246 Comments


They probably became very sad after reading that Rodri.

TheSpaceMan
June 19th 2017


13614 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

im not sure i understand that. like, you are spending time waiting for a new album? its a passive activity, you're not loosing anything

Dewinged
Emeritus
June 19th 2017


33246 Comments


Aiwaz, you can always jam some Neurosis in the meantime.



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