da blazer loves subjectivity until the masses disagree with their takes and then its "yall just dont like this cause its not pretentious enough for you"

Album Rating: 3.5

never did i say i didnt accept the opinion its just mind-boggling to me because it feels like we're not even hearing the same album 90% of the time

Album Rating: 2.0

Spirit out here dropping faxx.



Most people think this sucks. Vein thinks it's great. The beauty of opinions and the subjectivity of music taste. There's not much more to talk about on that really lol.

Album Rating: 3.5

i think the confusion is essentially just a feeling of "are we even hearing the same music?!" because never in my life would i have considered a track like No Frame "boring radio butt rock".

Album Rating: 2.0

This:

"give Paper Lung the production quality of this album and change nothing else would the brilliance still shine through? Or would yall complain about that being "butt rock" for its simple arrangement?"



Coupled with this:

"what even is the metric for what is or isn't "radio butt metal"?"



Proves that engaging in this discussion will be fruitless (but here I go lol). If you need actual written definitions for these things there is a problem. It can be heard.



Spirit basically said/explained it but again PL sounds nothing like this album and no, production and atmosphere are not the only differences

"never did i say i didnt accept the opinion its just mind-boggling to me because it feels like we're not even hearing the same album 90% of the time"

i understand, there are bands that people love like messhuggah and ABR who i think are the pinnacle of trash, but no amount of me trying to tell them why I think they're bad is going to make them understand and vice versa. so i just leave it at making snarky comments in those threads and call it day lol.

Lmao steak

i don't want to be mean, but you're just repeating the same sentiment over and over and you just need to face the facts that yes we are hearing the same music and we just don't feel for it the same way you do... it doesn't need to be this "mind-boggling" experience

Duouboe post

Album Rating: 3.5

"If you need actual written definitions for these things there is a problem. It can be heard." well by the metrics people tend to use for it, the likes of Helmet and Katatonia could be referred to in that way but somehow aren't and it's confusing because what IS the line when you're writing in a genre where it's so damn blurry? fucking people call the new Whitechapel butt-rock when they're in an Opeth/Katatonia hybrid style atm ffs. i dont exactly shoot for obvious mainstream appeal with my writing but i guarantee someone's gonna highlight the 2000s alt influence and claim i am, too

Album Rating: 2.0

"because never in my life would i have considered a track like No Frame "boring radio butt rock".



Well yeah that's like one of the only tracks on here that doesn't qualify as butt rock radio shit because its them truly experimenting and doing a sound they've never done before, and it doesn't sound like it was made to pander to the mainstream rock audience. Most of the album however is very butt-rocky, that song is just a rare exception.

Album Rating: 2.0

I feel like the easiest explanation is literally where the term "butt rock" comes from. It's from those old radio stations that would have the "tough" guy commercial voice who would be like "playing nothing BUT ROCK 24/7". So basically if a song sounds like it could be on that type of radio station then it's butt rock.



That's how I see it at least. Like if I listen to a song and it feels like Mr. Chad who loves listening to Octane Radio in his lifted Ford F250 would love it then it's almost certainly butt rock.

Album Rating: 2.0

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That's one of the better tracks here tbh

Album Rating: 3.5

"Like if I listen to a song and it feels like Mr. Chad who loves listening to Octane Radio in his lifted Ford F250 would love it then it's almost certainly butt rock." most of them would probably dislike this because of the vocals (they'd rather a gruff sounding MAN not a "whiny emo baby" or some shit) tbf but i guess i can see it that way. it's just so blurry because people push that term everywhere it doesn't apply and it's like "WHERE IS THE LINE?!?" like i saw comments comparing new Whitechapel to...Shinedown? Five Finger Death Punch? HUH!?!?!?!

octane bruh lmao

Album Rating: 3.0

no frame has grown off me a fuck ton but yea its the least cookie cutter thing here

Album Rating: 3.5

tbh it's often vocals (and that AWFUL producer Kevin Churko...you think this album's produced bad? it's still miles ahead of any Churko production) that get in the way with the most mainstream iterations of "radio" alt-rock to me anyway, like i'm really not that into Disturbed but that's mostly because i've worn out of David Draiman's voice, if they had someone more to my taste on the mic i'd probably like them more despite their obvious formulaic sound

Album Rating: 2.0

Eh, vocals definitely play into it. When I think butt rock I think Disturbed, Three Days Grace, Five Finger Death Punch, Nickelback, Creed, that type of shit. Chad music essentially.



So that post just kinda tells me you just like that butt-rock sound more than most people on this thread dude. That's fine haha you're allowed to like it.

Album Rating: 3.5

i can't really tell whether or not something actually qualifies because the term's so diluted half the time anyway. Kerrang when reviewing the new Whitechapel compared it to Shinedown like they could ever hit as hard as Chapel did on the song they compared it to - "History Is Silent", and then there's the people here comparing it to 5FDP like they could write anything a 10th as good as even the weakest track on there.

side note: Five Finger Death Punch can't be saved, they're actual trash, i've said many times unironically that i'd rather jam Black Veil Brides than them and their latest is the first time i've fully vibed to their music beyond a song here and there.

black veil brides got bangers