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"You can argue the exact same thing in music, hell how many people can you pick apart how brilliant and amazing the chord progression, melodies and musical talent of a band can be, but if there's "screaming vocals" people won't like it?"



That's just people's tastes though, in fact I don't see how that's exactly relevant to the distinction between audio and visual mediums we are trying to delineate here. If anything that's proving my point! The expression of music forgoes many people's sensitivities, there's literal hurdles for most albums for most people, it requires a lot of effort on the part of the listener to subject themselves to an immediately dis-likable trait. I can't think of too many films in this respect, there are some weird ones, but they are designed to reel the audience in one way or another, otherwise there's no point. Again the argument isn't that rewatching a film has nothing to offer, it's just it has less to offer than music...



@Porcupinetheater



I appreciate all of that, but I'm saying that the list of examples for music is "more" endless, more profound and more central to the enjoyment of it.

I've watched some of these films you're talking about, but so what, I've also read all of Shakespeare, Ariosto, Dostoevsky and however many other masterpieces in the literary canon. I can make an argument for re-reading all of them in just as convincing style as you just did, I can just as easily list off all the non-immediate intricacies of symbolism and all the reasons why they have depth, I could talk for days how it pays to really pay attention to this and that etc. BUT even though I think they are superior forms of art and have much more complexity than any album, I still will not make the argument that that they somehow require re-reading.

The main point of disagreement as I see it, is that you think me saying "musical motifs are harder to grasp than the visual medium" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. But all you've given me to point to the contrary, are films I immediately enjoyed! Yes there are intricacies only a trained cinematographer can appreciate but so what? I'm still not arguing that there is nothing to gain from rewatching a film!

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But still its good for you to bring up some specifics and i suppose i take your point that i may be looking at it as a simple lover of movies and not giving quite enough credit to the art of cinematography, but I do the exact same with music.



I just don't see the comparison between how many hours, listens and even years albums like Jane Doe and In The Aeroplane took me to win me over and any hard-to-grasp film.

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Fair enough, I think it's all a question of irreconcilable subjectivity, then (although I guess that could've been said fairly easily from the start). I've switched over opinions and altered shit more on movies than albums in the past, personally, and I certainly wouldn't say it's all down to cinematography appreciation, but there sure as shit ain't no universality. I'll just keep drinking and raise you a glass.

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Aye fairo, agree to disagree, you know i love you porcy, i'll raise you a bong and a glass myself



But just curious which movies have you drastically changed opinions on specifically?

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Music affects me so much stronger than movies prob cause it gives you the latitude to interpret it however you want and attach your own emotions/memories/associations with it. Music/Audio is a much more personal medium imo

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So excited to listen to this! I really dig Good Kid and To Pimp a Butterfly

Damn

Can't get into this at all. Nothing grabs me and the whole thing bores me.
It's a bizarre feeling considering good kid and TPAB have a permanent spot in my car CD player.

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@Piglet



Had a major turnover on quite a few Godard pictures. None of them worked for me (Masculin Feminin, Breathless, Alphaville, Contempt) until Weekend recontextualized my understanding and framework for his work within not just the obvious socio-political context but also the relation between literature and film (his fascination with people reading in a bathtub would never be the same again!)



Blow Up was a massive changeover after La Notte put in mind Antonioni's fascination with the displacement of humans by architecture, which by the time he made the former listed had transformed to a more disquieting humans displaced by lack of concern with other humans (this was always in his work, although Red Desert probably recentered it as the focus). Initially Blow Up felt incredibly calculated and its visual nuances struck me as in vogue art-house chic - particularly with the model pseudo-menage-a-trois sequence and the mime tennis, which took on much greater significance with the acknowledgement of a delocated traveller aesthetic.



Wasn't a fan of Ozu in general until I shifted my perception from the moments of action to the moments of tranquil transition (i.e. his hallway/alleyway shots) as the key to understanding the placid acceptance in the face of emotional turmoil of the majority of his characters. Crossing directorial and international borders, but this same reframing brought me to tears the next time I watched Pather Panchali, and it's been one of my favorite movies ever since.



Didn't like M. Houlot's Holiday. Felt trite and like watered-down Chaplin. Playtime retroactively stripped it of its isolated gag context for me and made it simultaneously funnier and bleaker as a portrait of someone being cluelessly left behind by a culture they can't keep up with, and that also ties their shoelaces together.



Etc.

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Fascinating.

Ahaha well I can say you weren't the only one with Godard, I've seen a loooot of divided opinions with him and I personally did not enjoy Alphaville at all, the only thing I've seen from him.

I don't know I loved Antonioni off the bat and never had those gripes with Blow Up, but I'm probably not as discerning as you when I'm blasted out of my mind watching these films.

I can't relate to the "tranquil transition as the key to understanding the placid acceptance in the face of emotional turmoil of the majority of his characters" because I never checked out Ozu but damn I always wanted to. Cheers for reminding me, do you have any recommendations for a first starting point?

@JWT155 yo sorry I'm chiming in late, and yes I definitely agree you need multiple viewings to fully (if there is such a thing) absorb a film. I believe the same is true for music, no one can get a clear picture of an album or a movie in just one shot, no matter how generic or linear. However, I know personally I'll remember much more from 1 viewing of a movie in a cinema or something than I ever do with an album on the first go, in fact it's a struggle to even retain catchy melodies on only a single listen, whereas long after a movie has gone by I can recount the story line, chatacters, most of the dialogue etc. With a movie you get visual and audio, music is almost exclusively audio, and humans are much more visual creatures than other senses which is why I supoose more people think they know a movie after only 1 viewing, and while I don't agree that that is enough at all, for the majority of films it's much more than you'd get from an album.

"Last time I checked you can attend film school, not how to make an album school."

That's ridiculous though, you certainly can.

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For Ozu, I'd probably start with Early Summer. He basically has 3-4 plots that his movies revolve around, But Early Summer is a really fun one (especially if you're of a mind to start chugging some Sake). If you want something more depressing, Tokyo Twilight's probably more accessible than Tokyo Story, and proper breakdown material. (Ozu's tough to pick from, though, because he's so fucking consistent from both a thematic and quality perspective).



And also, if your Godard problems are his coldness (re-fucking-lateable) I'd probably start with A Woman is a Woman, that one's honestly really entertaining to watch start to finish, while also laying the groundwork for some of his more exploratory themes.

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plus nick cave on your pic, wow you must be a really boring person

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Sheesh Loyalty is not the kind of song I wanna hear from kendrick.



XXX on the other hand. (Damn.)

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cheers mate, I'll give Early Summer a go



lmao @kascet

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Damn. The internet really seems convinced that Kendrick is dropping a 2nd album towmorrow. Thoughts?

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nah its complete bullshit, i remember the evidence for the king of limbs was about twice as convincing ahah. i really want to be wrong tho

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Dude, AssCadet, you act like I ain't openly fucking boys



Am a boring person, tho, confirmed

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holy fuck i drank cold water and now my eye hurts

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yer fuk off nick slave fukn sappy cunt drink mor vbs mate, faurkn lives in pommieland as werll tha fAURKwit