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Zebra
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April 10th 2006


2647 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

This has been called a concept album by many critics, but I still have yet to find an actual concept. Will someone please explain to me what the their opinion on the concept of the album is because I have a tough time beleiving that there is an actual concept.

That being said I have never really been into this album, or Green Day.

Steerpike
April 10th 2006


1861 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

This has been called a concept album by many critics, but I still have yet to find an actual concept. Will someone please explain to me what the their opinion on the concept of the album is because I have a tough time beleiving that there is an actual concept.




It's only a concept album in the sense of 2112 by Rush. In that a bulk of songs follow a particular story, but there are also several that don't.



The story to the above-mentioned songs is more or less a Fight Club-esque story of personal evolution.This Message Edited On 04.10.06

Zesty Mordant
April 10th 2006


1196 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

[QUOTE=vheissu] blink and sum aren't *real* punk. [/QUOTE]

This is hypocritical because one of the most streamlined things to do is saying so-and-so isn't "punk blah blah" which generally contradicts traditional punk ideals of avoiding such generalizations in the first place. Also Blink 182 and Sum 41 are punk, just a different style to it (power-pop and pop-punk). There is no such thing as "real" punk because the "realness" of just about every punk band has been contested. This is nothing new.

I don't feel Green Day has abandoned their musical integrity. Just their personal integrity. Dressing like a fag and pretending to be hardcore lyrical political activists all of a sudden is what gets me. Especially because they never needed to do any of that bull**** to be popular.



wow, you just shot yourself in the foot here because if they didn't need to change their image to be popular like you argue here, then they aren't really "selling-out" according to your other definition because they were already popular in the first place.

the desire for success, if it thickly and thoroughly outweighs the desire for musical and personal dignity, respectability, and honesty, is actually the very definition of what it is to be a sellout.


That doesn't mean "sell-out" at all. Roughly, if anything it means pop music. pop music=/=selling out.

green day never really had any musical integrity in the first place.


Bull. Explain.

st_jimmy_kid
April 11th 2006


23 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

hahahahahahaha dolphinXcore hahahahahaha pretty fucked up eh? hahahahahah nice

pattern_recognition
April 11th 2006


950 Comments


At one point my band was called Smitty Joe And His Electric Kitten.
*stunned silence*
I rest my case.


Steerpike
April 11th 2006


1861 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

Oh yeah and Bono of U2 doesn't really give a **** about any of the starving children and what not its called an act lots of actors and musicians do that in hopes of getting a larger fanbase. If you don't care don't pretend to so you might as well buy some drugs when you're rich and famous because you're probably going to be rather lonely




That has got to be without a doubt the douche-baggiest thing I have ever heard. You've got your head jammed so far up your ass that you can see the backs of your own teeth.



Okay, kid, I'm going to give it to you straight. You're nowhere near as smart as you think you are, and your abrasive know-it-all attitude is downright obnoxious. Shut up. Nobody wants to hear your worthless babbling. Shut... up.This Message Edited On 04.11.06

XxcheetoxX
April 16th 2006


78 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

This really has lost its listening value.

Zesty Mordant
April 16th 2006


1196 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

I'm saying they did what most sellouts do right from the start - bland power chord based pop punk.


But they've done this since 1994, before it became the "sellout" thing to do. How can they "sellout" if they haven't radically changed their sound.

They ripped off MCR, Coheed and Cambria, and NOFX so hard that it's leaking obviousness.


So?

THIS IS A GIMMICK. How can this be a coincidence? all the timing is too perfect. If he was always political, why not release an album 5 years ago before everyone else? Bush was the president then too.


um, this is the first album they released while Bush is in power.

Steerpike
April 16th 2006


1861 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

So because the timing is convenient... the possibility of it being just that is non-existent?



Well, it's worthless trying to convince you to change your mind as you've lodged these ideas so deeply into your brain that the only way to remove them is with a bullet.



However, I go to my earlier point that their "activism" is at least reflected in some real actions. Donating some of their profits to tsunami relief, performing at Live 8... anyone who would bitch and moan "Oh they don't really care, they just want publicity, they're just sell-outs" needs to be kicked right square in the balls with a steel-toed boot and spoon-fed their crushed, jellied gonads.



If you want to sob like a little bitch with a skinned knee about their "gimmick," do it on your own time. Because neither I nor anyone else has any interest in hearing it. I would much rather hear disccusion about the album itself rather than the band's motivations and fashion sense.This Message Edited On 04.16.06

Jacob6293
April 16th 2006


125 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0 | Sound Off

pwn

Bron-Yr-Aur
April 16th 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

this entire album sucks. and not because of them "selling out", or not being technically proficient, but because the songwriting sucks. "American Idiot" has got to be the worst song I've heard in a long while.

Zesty Mordant
April 16th 2006


1196 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

not really, its actually a really concise and well-written pop song. short, simple and catchy.

Bron-Yr-Aur
April 16th 2006


4405 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

to you it is. I personally despise it, and I don't find it catchy or well-written at all.

Jacaranda
April 16th 2006


684 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Stop lying to yourself.

Zesty Mordant
April 16th 2006


1196 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

to you it is.


And to millions of other people

metallicaman8
April 16th 2006


4677 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

I hated this album. Every song it on it was garbage (except for holiday, unbelieivably catchy). I'm tired of Green Day getting by with 4 chord songs and ametuer solos, I'm only 13 and i can write better songs than they can but they still remain firmly that at the top of the charts with their incredibly basic music (if you wanna call it music).

Steerpike
April 16th 2006


1861 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

I hated this album. Every song it on it was garbage (except for holiday, unbelieivably catchy). I'm tired of Green Day getting by with 4 chord songs and ametuer solos, I'm only 13 and i can write better songs than they can but they still remain firmly that at the top of the charts with their incredibly basic music (if you wanna call it music).




Oh Jesus. This isn't even a decent warm-up.



Let's just go to the old standard of: prove it. If you are a better songwriter then BJA, then put your bullshit where your mouth is and send me an mp3 of your cutting edge hit single of tomorrow.



Also, I would like to take this opportunity to say that you have a screenname based on Metallica. You have no business complaining about the quality of anybody's music.This Message Edited On 04.16.06

Electric City
April 16th 2006


15756 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

[quote=pwnmeister]Also, I would like to take this opportunity to say that you have a screenname based on Metallica. You have no business complaining about the quality of anybody's music.[/quote]

^HOOOOO BURN!



Steerpike, would you marry me?This Message Edited On 04.16.06

Zesty Mordant
April 16th 2006


1196 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Also, I would like to take this opportunity to say that you have a screenname based on Metallica. You have no business complaining about the quality of anybody's music.


hi-yoooooooo.



I still don't think this is that good of an album, but at this point I find it wayyyy more fun to rip on the anti-AI losers than the Green Day funboys.This Message Edited On 04.16.06

Steerpike
April 16th 2006


1861 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

And there goes the pwnage again people. It's sad that people don't bother to look up this thread and see what has occured.




If they're going to walk face-first into a hornets' nest, it's their own fault.



Steerpike, would you marry me?




No one can tame me. I'm the wind.



I still don't think this is that good of an album, but at this point I find it wayyyy more fun to rip on the anti-AI losers than the Green Day funboys.




They're practically begging for it anyway. None of them can argue a point at all.This Message Edited On 04.16.06



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