Album Rating: 5.0

Counter Every Time I Part

Album Rating: 5.0

White Void rules

Album Rating: 4.0

^ best track

Album Rating: 5.0

It’s up there.

Truthfully, I think Thing With Feathers is my favorite here and one of my favorite ETID tracks. Same with All This and War and Post Boredom

Album Rating: 4.0

Album kicks ass, I just wonder if its status as a swansong overinflates everyone's perception of it. The best songs here are short and nasty, some of the longer stuff wears its welcome on repeat listens.

Yeah I think this album is definitely enjoying the Dissociation treatment where its bloat and 'experimentation' in the guise of limp-wristed accessible/clean-led cuts get inflated through endgame nostalgia

Album Rating: 4.5

Idk this has big hype behind it way before the breakup was announced, don’t buy that argument at all

The breakup was announced soon enough after release that, this far on, the two are basically interchangeable in terms of how this has aged
If it were a question of how far any awareness of an imminent breakup shaped its initial reception compared to Dissociation then yes it would be a different conversation, but that ship has long since sailed and the album's finality defines it far more than pre-release hype at this point

Also, literally from the last page: "The way I see it, yes it’s overlong. But most likely it’s also the last thing we’re ever going to hear from these guys (at least in this iteration).
So they went out with a bang imo"
gonna have to rest my case

Album Rating: 4.5

I mean, if you wanna talk about how this album will be remembered, then yes you have a very valid point. But this album hit its 4.3 within the first month of release and it didn’t go up or down based on the break up 3 months after release. The reception was immediately strong - it wasn’t meh and then strong because of the break up. I may be misconstruing the point you were making and therefore suspect we could be talking cross purposes (completely agree re how I interface with this record now - there’s a strong swan song overtone for sure) in which case apologies!

Album Rating: 4.0

you're resting your case? where? is it a heavy case?

Album Rating: 4.0

That's a great comparison Johnny, and I think I agree. Radical is a strange album for a fan to examine critically. Every time I revisit it, I find that I focus on ten songs I love and discard the other six, the issue being that I focus on different songs each listen (except Post-Boredom, that song is almost always a skip). Around a third of the songs here exist in Schrödinger's box between uninteresting and awesome, but they are all, indisputably, ETID songs. Does uncompromising stylistic repetition make for a classic final album, or one that contentedly sits alongside earlier hits without differentiating itself? Can fans even tell the difference?

Album Rating: 4.5

Yo can we keep arguing so I can get this rev to 200000 views that’d really help my ego out thanks

Album Rating: 4.0

Sure, bitch

it's heavy cases all the way down
"The reception was immediately strong - it wasn’t meh and then strong because of the break up."
well yeah ditto for Dissociation. my point is that both records have qualities that would ordinarily have aged pretty badly (expediently, anything adjacent to melodic alt-metal or in the top 20% of running times on either) but have been rose-tinted because RIP band qt final statement eat all the swans
"Does uncompromising stylistic repetition make for a classic final album, or one that contentedly sits alongside earlier hits without differentiating itself? Can fans even tell the difference?"
lol yes based - although I think this equally guilty of gratuitous stylistic meandering. would probably have 3.5'd if it were around 8-10 tracks, but boi does it lose steam fast

Album Rating: 4.5

Yes but re Dissociation I’d go back the the pre-release vs post-release breakup announcement distinction - disassociation was always the DEP swan song, whereas Radical wasn’t etid’s



I fear I am mostly on the losing side of this argument and will now resort to childish insults: Johnny, you have silly hair.

Album Rating: 4.5

severe lack of avatars on this page lmaoo

Album Rating: 4.0

"I think this equally guilty of gratuitous stylistic meandering."



Radical dropped when I was in-between jobs as a busser. I don't know if I would love it like I do if it hadn't been the soundtrack to me mastering how to polish the same tables over and over and over again.

Album Rating: 4.5

“severe lack of avatars on this page lmaoo”



If mine could be retrieved from the void please mx I’d be grateful ta

Album Rating: 4.5

i never made the dissociation/radical correlation myself (besides them being the final albums by both bands) but that makes a lot of sense. both are easily the longest albums by both bands and both end on a combo of melodic/"experiemental" cuts that have a real sense of finality to them as well.

Album Rating: 5.0

How about it gets the “dissociation” treatment in that, yeah, there’s a couple of tracks that don’t land completely, but the good tracks are so good that it doesn’t matter.



A record can still be a 5 even if every single track isn’t perfect imo