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like the only one who most likely had any money was probably Lou Reed and even then, he had to work for his parents for a whole year after he quit the band

and yeah the VU were all junkies iirc

lou reed purportedly turned tricks for that h mobb so yeah idek how that applies

if anything that serves to reinforce the idea that noise rock had junkie origins before it was coopted by the yuppy dweebs in the touch n go, amrep era

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Don't really think any of them had any decent royalties to their name for a solid decade or so after they broke up aside from Lou or John Cale.



Mo Tucker and Sterling Morrison, even with the royalties, had to work well into their fifties. (To get to the point, they were part of the NYC scene, associated with Warhol and the Factory and the like)

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"I feel like Ars isn't the one who's getting triggered at the moment, tbh."



Shhh let them think it's me that's getting triggered, it'll end sooner that way

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I think not replying in the first place and taking such blatant bait would've saved you the trouble, thus saving us this whole discussion

fripp hit it on the head
anyone that knows me half-well knows that i ain't taking shit like this seriously anymore
i'm just killing time

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It was a joke Fripp



I'm actually kinda curious to know more about this scene Sach's talking about even though I doubt I'll like it since when I tried his Homopolice rec, I didn't like it



Sources for this scene he keeps talking about are coming up barren except on like RYM



All noise rock articles that talk about noise rock pre-"touch n go, amrep era" seem to just mention stuff like The Velvet Unerground, then no wave stuff like Glenna Branca and Rhys Chatham then stuff like Sonic Youth and Flipper

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I don't wanna take what Sach says at face value, so I'm trying to find some sources that back up his definition and so far no luck

did you try wikipedia

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I mean, I'd argue this is something he has a decent bit of knowledge in but I don't think disregarding said knowledge just because it's him is going to help you learn about the various scenes that aren't exactly related. An example I mentioned was the VU being part of Andy Warhol's clique early on. You can also look to the no wave scene in NYC as another facet of the various scenes. There has never been one whole collective "scene" for any genre, and it's silly to look up random articles in vain to learn more about it. The best you can do to learn about these groups are to listen to them, first of all.



Just because it wasn't well-documented doesn't mean it exists. And like said before, you chose to take the bait.

i think the problem is you're looking for veracity of his claims in articles.. why don't you just listen to the bands and formulate your own conclusions. his definition of noise rock is based on context/ethos/sound so you'd be better off doing background research on the bands he listed

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I'm sure his scene exists, but my doubts are that it's the "true and only" noise rock that he's claiming



And 1 or 2 dudes on Sputnik, no matter who they are, aren't enough to convince me of anything

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I don't think you're going to learn much about the origins by doing the equivalent of plugging your ears and refusing to listen to people who know about the genres mentioned. Like why bother saying you want to learn, then refuse to?



Again, there is no such "scene" because there's no such thing as a whole collective "scene" to begin with, only clustered sects in different cities.

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"his definition of noise rock is based on context/ethos/sound"



His context then seems like it's super personal to him (emotionally driven) rather than accurate or universal



Which is why I think it's silly that he's so adamant about the average music fan not knowing what "real" noise rock is



Like I'm sure the bands he's talking are noise rock, but I'm looking for a place that directly culturally associates noise rock with underground junkies in crack houses when they all say it was just a NY no wave offshoot

i mean at the end of the day i think you're quasi-gettin-fuckd-with

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I always am by users like Sach



but it's not like he thought of this opinion today to mess with me though, I've seen him say similar stuff like this in the past

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Is anyone on this site really "an average music fan" though?

And to go with the definition of a genre/culture/sound,etc., is it really incorrect to say that most people's idea of it is personally driven by their idea of how it is and should be? Looking at such things from a literal standpoint feels pointless, when it works more conceptually.



And nobody referenced anything about noise rock correlating with underground junkies in crack houses. The closest thing to that would be the VU being fucked up on heroin/opiates mainly due to NYC being rife with it and Andy Warhol's crew being full of users, the VU being one of the many who partook in it.

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This site really turns into college kid daycare during the quiet hours, I love it