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Well wouldn't that make AMM a noise and jazz band that's unstructured and not rock?

a lot of sources also refer to the ramones as punk

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I'm not entirely versed in AMM's material, but from what I do know, I find trying to label them is wholly useless as I doubt they themselves care as to what their music categorizes as. The point being made is that the origins of noise rock has its roots in music vastly different from what we know/knew the genre as in the past, and it has evolved (or devolved, if you see it that way) to a point where this influence is no longer as pronounced as it once was due to the newer waves not having the same influences the pioneers/first wave.

"Well wouldn't that make AMM a noise and jazz band that's unstructured and not rock?"
people say "jazz" as a catch-all for anything unstructured that isn't totally electronic
keith rowe specialises in fucking with guitars
there's your classic brutha with the percussive shit
there's radios
ain't no rhythm or swing like jazz
rock doesn't rely on rhythm so much as propulsion
amm fit

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arguing about genres on this level is usually dumb but I don’t really care to hear an argument for why ramones are not actually punk rock lol

like eat my dick if you ain't think glenn branca always wanted to be in amm

It is reductive because you are simplifying it to be that a band must be entirely 100% noise rock, or else it is not. You're stating that because a band incorporates other influences that it absolutely 100% cannot be a part of that genre.

deedee was punk
joey was a living teletubby
johnny aspire(d/s) to be ted nugent
need i go on

"You're stating that because a band incorporates other influences that it absolutely 100% cannot be a part of that genre."
not at all
you just gotta be primarily a part
you're actually achieving reductivism by reducing my argument so simply

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Yeah I'm still gonna call any band with punk leanings that uses a ton of distortion and feedback noise rock



Whether it's Flipper or Lightning Bolt



Your definition of it seems more elitist than actually helpful

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Isn't the point of classifying genres, to make it easier to find music in that same style?

"It is reductive because you are simplifying it to be that a band must be entirely 100% noise rock, or else it is not"

never said or implied this at all.

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I dunno, I feel like if you dug through the personal/ethical perspectives and actions of each defining punk band member you’d find all sorts of weird counterintuitive stuff. Punk might be a tough case because it is indeed an ethos in addition to a sound, but I figure this conversation is about how things sound, and insofar as that’s true this claim is nigh on the level of saying Louis Armstrong isn’t jazz, at least to me

"Yeah I'm still gonna call any band with punk leanings that uses a ton of distortion and feedback noise rock"
just call that shit sloppy you fucking pussy
stop crowding the scene with your submissive shit

mm, sorry, I thought I was replying to sach there. You never stated that, my bad.

it's actually kind of stunning that that's what you've taken from all of this @minus

edit: word

@ra (apt)
decent point, but even from a sonic perspective, the ramones only ever really fit in with the punk scene at the time because rock had become so divergent (prog v the punks basically). in retrospect, the ramones are more adult contemporary/pop rock for the senile -- so i'd argue the ramones were only ever punk by association

this is ignoring the fact that punk is a big self-deprecating joke by definition but alas

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"just call that shit sloppy you fucking pussy"



Sloppy isn't a genre

@ Hal1fax eNo, you're right. I get where I was wrong.
I should have used a better word for what I was trying to say. I can admit that.

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lol