Refused The Shape Of Punk To Come
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Pikazilla
July 28th 2019


32373 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

People who use gender-neutral pronouns need purging.

zakalwe
July 28th 2019


42013 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

1984

kalkwiese
July 28th 2019


11053 Comments


People like to link this stuff to 1984, but these people don't understand the purpose of new speak lol.

dimsim3478
July 28th 2019


8987 Comments


or they're frankfurt school conspiracy theorists

anyway with this band the politics was always kinda basic and secondary to the kickass music

zakalwe
July 28th 2019


42013 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Funnily enough this is representative of Frankfurt School technique.





Nobody cared until the idea was planted that this album was the answer. That idea then branches out into social media and infiltrated music discourse suggesting that it was one of the greatest records in history and that nothing else could beat it or mattered. Years later and people are sublimated enough to believe it.



Actually listen to the thing and it’s above average if not a bit turd.

kalkwiese
July 28th 2019


11053 Comments


Still have to listen to this. But what answer are you talking about?

zakalwe
July 28th 2019


42013 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

That everything you’ve been looking for is to be found here.

kalkwiese
July 28th 2019


11053 Comments


Sounds like some esoteric bs tbh, does anyone actually think that? Lul

artiswar
July 28th 2019


16639 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

album smokes, jam it kalk

beefshoes
July 28th 2019


8448 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I don't think that it's nearly as innovative as people like to claim; it's just a damn awesome post-hardcore record that happened to come at the right moment and the right time.







"Refused went from writing an innovative album that turned every punk fan into an anti-capitalist for 104 minutes to calling themselves "we who use gender-neutral pronouns" and using a refrain as subtle as "blood red until we're dead""



More or less the same with Propagandhi and other anarchist groups, though this reflects the general trend of much of the libertarian left's shift towards social liberalism and egalitarianism away from socialism, let alone anti-capitalist critique. No wonder the left is in a state of complete failure across most of the world.

artiswar
July 28th 2019


16639 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

yeah their new shit is fucking cringe.

zakalwe
July 28th 2019


42013 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

This didn’t gather any sort of attention whatsoever until at least 10yrs after its initial release.



Yeah there’s always them hidden gems, overlooked masterpieces and massively under appreciated records that aren’t discovered till it’s too late but this on the other hand is simply any ‘alternative’ ‘hardcore’ album that people laud now for lack of anything else to celebrate.





artiswar
July 28th 2019


16639 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

or maybe it's just a cool, fun album so people like it.

Kompys2000
July 28th 2019


9483 Comments


Holy shit Zak albums not getting acclaimed until they've been out for a bit is not a fucking conspiracy, and it happens fairly regularly.

Kompys2000
July 28th 2019


9483 Comments


And also you're just flat-out wrong about this album not getting any attention for "at least 10 years", within 5 years of its release it was getting placed on all-time lists and "New Noise" was showing up in film and TV soundtracks.

beefshoes
July 28th 2019


8448 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

"This didn’t gather any sort of attention whatsoever until at least 10yrs after its initial release."



What about New Noise on THUnderground back in 2003? I feel like that gave them tons of exposure outside of the hardcore community.

zakalwe
July 28th 2019


42013 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Sell outs

ShaquilleONeal
July 28th 2019


266 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

If these guys would have toughed out their disappointing concerts and waited 6 months, the album would have probably been more popular that it is now and at a much more rapid rate. It only took a year to get to 30k sales. Imagine if they actually toured.

zakalwe
July 28th 2019


42013 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

This style of punk begone

decisions
July 28th 2019


1246 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I wasn’t saying that those two things are mutually exclusive, just that post-reunion Refused’s leftist-critique is about 1/100 as compelling as pre-reunion. Because of both the music and lyrics.



Just some epic lines on here.



“A NAIVE YOUNG SECRET, for the new ROMANTIIIIICS, WE EXPRESS OURSELVES IN ARTIFICIAL WAYS”





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