Jeez dudes, i was only letting the other fans know.

you've certainly provided us with enough links

Ok maybe I was a little harsh. Just wanted to make sure you were still aware of the original purpose of the thread. The fact remains, no matter much I may have been too harsh in the telling, that this is a review thread and not a place where it is appropriate to put updates on the band and it's tour. I'm sorry I seemed to come across as another idiot that will "slate you" but I just want to make sure that you have something real to talk about.

[QUOTE=i am miik]Tremonti is still to much of a show off. He throws a fast solo in the new single where one is clearly not needed. He thinks he is God's gift to music, and I have little respect for him. They still sound like generic radio rock to me.[/QUOTE]

"Heartbreaker" by Led Zeppelin, but nobody dissed Jimmy Page for that solo. If Tremonti's showing off, then I'd like to know what Page was doing. By the way, he wrote that solo while he was DRUNK, most people can't play that sober.

As for the CD, great CD, I have it, I love it, I recommend it. Loads better than Creed.

4/10
this album just didnt appeal to me

[QUOTE=Deifekt]"Heartbreaker" by Led Zeppelin, but nobody dissed Jimmy Page for that solo. If Tremonti's showing off, then I'd like to know what Page was doing. By the way, he wrote that solo while he was DRUNK, most people can't play that sober.

As for the CD, great CD, I have it, I love it, I recommend it. Loads better than Creed.[/QUOTE]

Jimmy Page gets a pass because his name is "Jimmy Page", whereas Tremonti gets an automatic dis because his name is "That guy who used to be in Creed".

I think Tremonti should at least get some respect for the work he's put into this album. The guys a genius when it comes to writing music and lyrics.

I would love to hear peoples opinions on the album if they didn't know who were in the band.

Oh and he was recently voted 2nd most powerful guitar player in the world today. I can't remember what poll it was in but it was a well respected guitar magazine. 1st place went to Dave Mustaine (sp?)

Album Rating: 5.0

Personaly I think Tremonti is the best guitarist going apart from slash :D his solos are amazing. I have all the creed albums and im proud of it. I love Creed but Alter Bridge are just AMAZING. I'm going to see them in December and i cant wait. By the way the dude who reviewed the album i totaly agree with the review but should of given the track one day remains 5/5 thats the best song on the album!

[QUOTE=02dufant]Personaly I think Tremonti is the best guitarist going apart from slash :D his solos are amazing. I have all the creed albums and im proud of it. I love Creed but Alter Bridge are just AMAZING. I'm going to see them in December and i cant wait. By the way the dude who reviewed the album i totaly agree with the review but should of given the track one day remains 5/5 thats the best song on the album![/QUOTE]


^I didn't? I could have sworn I did... I agree that ODR was the best track on the album... Metalingus a close second.

my fave is broken wings at the mo... and i finally managed to like open you eyes lol
i avoided it to start but i personally think that the solo is a masterpeice.

^The solo is a masterpiece.... :thumb:

Ok, first off I'm late for this one....but here goes.

1) Creed & Pearl Jam. There is a huge difference. Pearl Jam's songs reflect social ideals and political views. Creed's songs are about searching and finding. Pearl Jam go by the view of: "Don't bother searching, you won't find anything". Wheras, Creed go by the view: "Seek and ye shall find"... There is a huge difference between the two bands, as they cover two completely seperate spectrums of the one ideal.

2) Scott Stapp - stop baggin' on him. None of you have any idea as to the exact reason why there were creative differences.....so stop being a**holes to him. Stapp is a human being, and he also has a very sexy & powerful voice (And b4 u ask, yes, I am a female).

3) Creed - were great. And no, they don't compare to zeppelin, but what bands do. NONE. Not even your precious Metallica (who by the way, take the cake for being sell-outs!).

4) Alter Bridge - Well, "One Day Remains" rocks. As a big creed fan I was sceptical. But, this album blew me away. "Broken Wings" & "In loving Memory" are such intense and emotionally driven songs.

5) Mark Tremonti - is NOT a show-off. He's just a Realllllllly great guitarist, who isn't afraid to make his guitar wail... If u think he's cocky, then ur jealous. I am assuming alot of you hear are guitarists (such as myself).... Well, all those who give Tremonti crap need to get over themselves!


Well, I've said what I wanted to. So, stop giving Creed Fans crap.

^
go take your life
although that started of constructive, it turned into a 'im a noob' creed rock you all, metallica suck, im so cool, i hate conformists, down with bush post.
and dont think i dont like alter bridge, im going to see them on the 3rd of december, but u make the actual fans look badd

Iai, Pearl Jam and Alter Bridge are totally different. As I said in R+M's Alter Bridge thread, you're normally such a smart and knowledgeable poster that I would expect you to recognize this instead of hopping on the PJ-ripoff bandwagon. Pearl Jam today is barely the same band it was when Ten was made, and even at that time, it didn't bear any real resemblance to Creed except in the vocals and lyrics. Vocally, Alter Bridge doesn't have Stapp anymore, who was clearly ripping off the vocal style, and Myles does not sound like Eddie Vedder.

Now, instrumentally, the band does not sound like Pearl Jam at all. This is just sheer ignorance to state as much. Mark Tremonti's style is almost exclusively metal and classically informed(I'm referring to his style here, not the harmonic content), and his soloing style is based off of shred and a few basic blues licks found in such shred solos, while Stone Gossard's riff writing is classic-rock and alternative-rock influenced, and Mike McCready's lead style is all organic, classic Hendrix-style. Lyric-wise, Alter Bridge does not bear too many resemblances to PJ's and Creed's "depression 101" style lyrics, and has taken a turn for a more uplifting, stereotypical "road I'm on" stance. I mean, this mindless comparison has got to stop. Any fool can see that Creed are watered-down metal with grunge lyrics, and Alter Bridge are more intense and better, with no similarities to Pearl Jam whatsoever.

And as far as Mark's playing, it's very stupid to say he built a song around a solo too much, since he only solos in five of the eleven songs on the album, and they are very effective. I don't understand how he possibly gets carried away: I don't understand why if a solo goes over four measures worth of music it's considered self-indulgent. That's ridiculous. Tremonti can solo, and he does, and it's awesome. He doesn't go overboard at all and it adds a new element to what would otherwise be Creed songs. It's not like McCready doesn't let it rip anyway, as long as we're doing PJ comparisons. Come on, Iai, it's ridiculous to keep calling Alter Bridge "post-grunge or nu-grunge" or whatever the hell you'd call it, because it is just NOT that kind of music.

[QUOTE=Iai]In the above post, I said Creed sound like Pearl Jam, not Alter Bridge. You know from comments I've made in here that I like Alter Bridge infinitely more than I ever liked Creed, and I acknowledge that they're two entirely different entities, with only minor similarities remaining, which they're sure to filter out when they have more experience as a band under their belt.

The comment in R&M was a joke.

And I was referring more to his lead work with Creed. (I still haven't heard this full album.) And things he's said in interviews which struck me as arrogant, which I suppose I should have ignored, but nevermind. I've got nothing against long solos, but they need to be tasteful, and there are examples where Tremonti's haven't been tasteful.

By the way, when you say Tremonti's style is classically-informed, can you give examples? Because I hear no Classical sound with Tremonti.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, yes, I was confused when you said those things, because I remember hearing you say that you liked Alter Bridge...therefore I got a little messed up. I apologize.

If you double-check my post above, you will see that I was referring to style rather than the actual music when I say that Tremonti plays "classical." His fingerstyle technique is quite advanced for most modern rock players, and he makes frequent use of single-note trills and fast runs interspersed with arpeggiated notes, in addition to sliding chord shapes around. In this sense, he has a classical(i.e. fingerstyle) way of playing that is pretty developed, but the actual harmonic content does indeed bear no resemblance to classical music as we know it.

"But far too often, he bases a song around a solo, or runs roughshod over a song by drawing all the attention onto himself"


thats funny, he rarely used to solo, and considering he writes the **** song he can do it if he wants. sounds like jelousy to me haha, anyway if you call yourselves musicians, you should take the good from all types of music.

Album Rating: 1.0

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I am an idiot, you didn't have to clarify that for me.

but I just can't get over the comparisons between creed & pearl jam. And by the way, I am a fan of both. And, I've heard alot of pearl jam. When i say that there is a complete difference between Creed and Pearl Jam I am referring to the cultural capital of both (ie: where each band has come from, and the issues he puts forth). Yeh, Creed and EARLY pearl jam are similar, but still different. Creed come from a christian background, therefore - although somewhat depressing - they still put forth some of the beliefs and idealisms instilled in them from a younger age.

Look, who cares - "One Day Remains" is better than any of the three creed albums.

Cheers!

Album Rating: 1.0

The thing is, when people say Creed and Pearl Jam are similar, they mean in sound, not in lyrical content, background, etc.

yeh I know Bartender, but there is more to music than the sound. The lyrics and artist's intent are just as important, otherwise music would have no meaning.

You gotta look at all sides of the spectrum to uncover what something is about.

Album Rating: 1.0

Yes, but that doesn't mean that when people say Creed and Pearl Jam sound similar, they don't.