Album Rating: 3.0

Honestly that instrumental is soooo good though, I'm so excited to see what Steve Lacy does in the future



edit: pretty sure he did it off his iPhone and garageband as well https://www.wired.com/2017/04/steve-lacy-iphone-producer/

Album Rating: 3.0

Yeah so rating an album after one listen isn't ridiculous, sure, but its definitely premature in a way that doesn't translate to the medium of film, given the reasons Scuro just listed.

Album Rating: 3.5

ScuroFantasma - I respectively disagree, and it's late and I'm really genuinely in the mood for a good healthy debate, but I think sophisticated film is just as hard to diagnose and understand as a sophisticated piece of music, just as the the newest Michael Bay film can have as much depth as the newest Iggy Azaelia single. Let's not forget we're on a music website that discusses a lot of music that is out of the mainstream, and to compare the depth of the majority of music here to mainstream film would be a terrible comparison. Mainstream film and music is very derivative and easily digestible and can be rationalized in one sit through, but to assume film in general is much more digestible is just plain naive and ignorant. Last time I checked you can attend film school, not how to make an album school.

Album Rating: 2.0

With JWT on this, people are such visual creatures that it's simply easier to think we've caught all a film has to offer than an album, when the framings, stagings, visual details, synchronicity between sound and visual, etc. are often so complex it often takes dozens of watches to even begin to parse them - it just feels like the whole piece has been glimpsed because so many place emphasis on narrative at the expense of other details in conjunction with a presentation so predicated on familiarity that we often overlook the myriad parts that can't be picked up in a single viewing.

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

@jwt there are many pop(ular) music programs around the U.S.

Album Rating: 3.5

I really feel bad for those who disagree because I think it speaks volumes on how poor mainstream film has been as an art form in the past few years or even decades, watch some indie or foreign films, and see how outside the box or challenging films can be to us mentally and I think anyone would agree that film can push more boundaries and need much more observation.

Album Rating: 3.5

@Toad- And how prestigious and in depth are these pop music programs? Even if they exist in a decent scale, film schools far surpass those in both numbers and accolades because film has so much more depth and nuance that for decades, dating back to the 60s, people STUDY film because it has so much depth and substance along with order and technique. There really isn't any argument here.

Album Rating: 3.0

Yeah but look you can watch as artsy or indigestible films as you want, whether that be a Tarkovsky or a Kusturica, it doesn't matter- the visual medium is much easier to get a grip on than musical motifs. I don't have to watch their films three times to have an informed opinion, I can already tell you everything good and bad about it and that almost always remains true on repeated sittings.

Films are immediate and visual, music is fleeting and abstract, it buds and grows like some marijuana plant in blood and bones potting mix ya feel. There is a stark difference between the eyes and the ears.

Again, you can pick apart the shots and lenses and all the cinematography as much as you want, but the meat and potatoes is in the writing, plot and characters and you absorb and remember all that like as if its a life experience- if it is a well made film. I'm not discounting that you actually gain a lot from re-watching a film, I'm saying its markedly less than re-listening to an album and that's the whole argument we're having.

Album Rating: 3.5

Thought this record was a drag on first listen but a few more spins have made me like it so much more. Last track is so fucking good

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

@jwt Berklee college of music, for one, which is undeniably prestigious. Other colleges like Belmont have stepped to fill positions underneath it. It's not quite to the same level film schools have reached, but calling them non-existent is inaccurate.

I'm a film nerd - especially love uzo and von trier - but arguing that music is behind, esp. when the medium has been around for much longer (classical) seems out of touch

Album Rating: 3.5

You can argue the exact same thing in music, hell how many people can you pick apart how brilliant and amazing the chord progression, melodies and musical talent of a band can be, but if there's "screaming vocals" people won't like it?

Album Rating: 3.5

Berklee School of Music is without a doubt is a prestigious school, but I'd hardly say they're educating the future musicians of the world. A majority of artists start their own bands, or go out solo and find a way to succeed, and not with a music degree, because honestly music is much simpler, sometimes a great voice, excellent guitar chops or a catchy melody is all you need. Look at film, a vast majority of directors come out of film school, because it IS more difficult and takes much more discipline and education.

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

Talent is always going to be the determining factor, but as far as I know film and music school have both turned out successful artists in the last five years. Maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about; I'm not in that genre at all.

Album Rating: 3.5

I think the amount of credits on a film compared to a record should be an adequate argument for weighing the amount of thought and attention that should be shown to each medium, in fact sometimes we read far too much into music and not enough into film

Album Rating: 2.0

"the visual medium is much easier to get a grip on than musical motifs."



My question would be how much of this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you go into the visual medium certain that you have it understood, you'll rewatch movies in the same context subconsciously looking to reinforce your opinions rather than dismantle them. If you go in with this attitude without the same attitude towards music, it's logical that you'd be more open to recontextualizing the latter.



Writing, plot, and characters aren't always the meat and potatoes. There's a myriad of different styles of expression in film that lend themselves to different viewing techniques. The contemplative cinema of Weerasethakul, Tarr, or Benning, for example, are less dependent on imparting information directly through the visual medium than letting the duration of the visual medium lead to free form reflections. Or the hyperkinetics of a Guy Maddin piece that move so quickly it strips away any reflection whatsoever in the name of instinctive association that can only be properly reflected on after the film's conclusion, which in turn will continue to color and reframe any future rewatches.



There's the architectures that dwarf the subjects in Antonioni. The obscured background motions of Renoir that only reveal themselves when you find something new to look for after a scene has already played itself out. Suzuki's Freudian dances of sexuality, perception, instinct, and sensation. The evolving historical reflections of Carné that reshape themselves in conjunction with the interplays between real life and constructed fiction. The immediate freeform momentum of movement in Nêmec's Diamonds of the Night.



The examples are literally endless.

hey guys music is cool

Album Rating: 4.5

this shit rocks

Wth porcupine

Album Rating: 2.0

Dood Moovies are tite

Album Rating: 4.0

To me Kendrick least strongest release to date, but still kicks ass, great instrumentalization, some of the guests (U2 and Rihanna) are iffy, the songs however are well-rounded. Don't look for Pimp a Butterfly Part 2, this is another beast.