when your age/the time period in which the music was released affects your perception of it, youre just close-minded ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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exactly. i'm not sure why any individual would willingly choose such an unfortunate existence of ignorance.

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yea i still jam dude ranch ffs it was made for 14 year old biodome fans

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yer man. i'm still gonna be the biggest blink fan ever when i'm on my deathbed - & there's nothing anybody or anything can do to change that

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Senile is probably not the word you are looking for in this instance even though it does relate to age. Of course age shouldn't dictate enjoyment- broadly speaking, it doesn't. However, there is definitely room to observe that certain bands and aesthetics are more juvenile/immature than others despite their apparent "complexity" (metalcore and pop-punk being two examples). From my experience of discussing music with others over the years a lot of this slickly produced metalcore stuff is very quick to fade from musical consciousness as people grow.



Sometimes it doesn't and that is cool too but by and large no matter how many notes or how many ideas a band can cram in to a release some things will always sound like they are targeted towards kids.

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So your judgement is actually based on your perceived maturity of a band & their target fanbase? I hope you realise you're being extremely naive in possessing such an elitist mindset.



Do you actually enjoy any remotely accessible/popular/mainstream/non-obscure music at all? Or have you simply evolved beyond such primitive nonsense since it is automatically deemed 'juvenile' in your eyes if a 16 year old kid digs it?



Like I said though, this idea of growing up for the sake of obtaining a false sense of maturity is really quite perplexing. There's nothing mature about being so close-minded that you dismiss entire genres, purely due to attempting to adhere to some preconceived notion of who you should be & what you should like. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, nor who you're trying to prove it to - but I truly feel sorry for you if you subscribe to that belief.



& I did use senile as appropriately as I intended thank you very much - since I was whimsically suggesting some aspects of your mental faculties, & therefore ability to comprehend how ridiculously narrow your perspective is, may have diminished due to your senior years.



But nevermind - it's evidently apparent that you're actually just ignorant by choice.

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Also I have no idea why you seem to be portraying 'slickly produced metalcore stuff' as an inherently negative thing.



Production is an absolutely massive factor for me when listening to any kind of music, because it truly takes the whole sound to an entirely different level when done in a way that is conducive to enhancing & balancing the best aspects of the instrumentation to give it the kind of impact it strives to achieve - this being both especially effective & pretty much vital in the modern metal scene. You're only depriving yourself & your art of that extra spark, sheen & cohesion if you choose to take shortcuts with that.



Take After The Burial's Rareform for example. The original was an absolute clusterfuck mixed by a dog without ears that for all it's potential, was quite simply unlistenable at times - yet the re-release with the new mix ended up being a pretty awesome & enjoyable album for many.



Maybe if you opened yourself up to delving into it a little further with an open & curious mind, you'd be able to recognise & appreciate just how much of an art producing the right mix is to metal & music in general.

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I am perfectly aware of the finer points of production in creating an environment in which an album or song may thrive. Some things would benefit from a more distinct production in order to separate themselves from their peers. This is not a criticism that is exclusive to this kind of metalcore but it is one that is really rather pertinent.



There is nothing about my own personal preferences that suggests I dismiss entire genres. In fact looking at the interactions I have on this site, many of them have been on lists about the virtues offending genre which in this case I do not believe the band in question enshrines particularly well. I believe it to be a classic case of style over substance where the appeal is far from lasting. My judgement is based on the overall aesthetic and execution that while flashy and technically proficient feels entirely disposable. It is not a case of my being too "mature"to enjoy it but more recognizing that in my experience this is an example of something with little lasting appeal and will largely only be remembered as a footnote by hundreds of kids nostalgically recalling that time they went through that metalcore phase back in highschool.



Unfortunately I think we both recognize that this conversation is going to paddle around in circles until the rating drops to about 3.5

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I doubt it'll drop to a 3.5. If so, it'll take awhile. I see it either sitting where it's at or a 3.6.

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metalcore progressive metal nu-metal

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Have no idea how the nu-metal tag got approved at all.

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@DanielNightLewis



Just because it's technically proficient doesn't mean that it's destitute of substance. & ironically enough, this is a band that manages to combine a fuckload of elegance & emotion into their technical wizardry - certainly more effectively than the vast majority of their peers. It's probably the most important factor in what makes them so brilliant. I assume you feel the same way about technical death metal & regard it as little more than excessive redundant masturbation?



& wow the last part. This couldn't be a more poignant example of your oblivious ignorance.



A 'metalcore phase back in high school'? You do understand that you've pretty much confirmed everything I've just said - in that your belief is, at an intrinsic level, that you shouldn't like the music you liked in high school. Being a fan of metalcore or pop-punk isn't just confined to a random phase in your life - it's a fucking lifelong commitment man.



People who are truly passionate about music don't just hit a certain age & suddenly think 'wow all of the songs that mean anything to me are actually absolute shit cuz I was some deluded metalcore junkie blinded by a wave of breakdowns & sweep picked arpeggios & I've now found avantgarde post-rock black metal nirvana'. It goes well beyond nostalgia when you actually fucking love this shit dude. You might discover new, potentially better, stuff in the future - you might even go years without listening to certain songs. But you don't simply forget how good they are. It doesn't, or at least it shouldn't change the way you feel about them purely due to the fact you're not in high school anymore.



I actually appreciate a lot of the music I used to listen to 5-7 years ago even more so than I did back then, because I've realised just how special some of that stuff really is having explored so much more of the musical world in that time & expanded my tastes considerably. Some of it may not stand the test of time - but then I would have to question whether you actually liked it all that much in reality in the first place. Personally, the songs that I genuinely enjoyed have certainly had lasting appeal for me & it doesn't seem as though that's going to change anytime soon.



Fact is, when it comes down to it, if it sounds good to my discerning ears - then I'm going to enjoy it for exactly what it is & I always will. Doesn't matter if I'm 21 or 75. Why would you willfully choose to live life any other way?

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I think you will find you are twisting my words now, my hgh school comment was in recognition that a lot of people grow out of things not that you flat out need to stop listening to it. If you enjoy it, great- fantastic even. I still jam out to hours of Tom & Jerry on tv. That doesn't mean that I am not aware that the joy I get from it is largely a childish one.



But please by all means continue to white knight this album, you can continue to make blunt assumptions about my ability to appreciate music as a timeless entity to your hearts content but I am not giving you any more fuel for your fire.

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as i get older, i'll look back and some music has lots its flavor. that's sorta where you start to see difference between aesthetics and objective quality. there could be any number of factors that change your opinion or interests. as you get older you accumulate more music and develop a broader taste.



even the aspect of discovering new music has its own impact, which i think is fascinating.

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wow,guys

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comedy gold

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as you get older you accumulate more music and develop a broader taste.



this.

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Dude - you're the one who made the rather ignorant statement of 'Well, if you still dig it at 22, seek medical advice.' in the first place. & it doesn't seem to be of particularly jovial nature either considering you gave a serious response following that.



In any case, I apologise for my rant. It's just frustrating for me to see that you're the kind of guy who seems to have the mindset of inherently disliking the kind of music that you think you should dislike, rather than approaching it with a more open & curious point of view. Which is a shame because it shouldn't be that way. But it is by all means your own perogative, so I guess I'll just leave you to it mate.

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@sailSAway



I agree with that 100%. Some stuff you just think 'why the fuck did I ever listen to that?'. Some stuff just sounds plain stale. & some stuff is more nostalgic than particularly good. But the songs that were actually a cut above, the ones that were always far more than just songs to you, should still rank against & amongst the discoveries that followed. Unless you literally had absolutely no clue about music back then.



Hence why I said:



I actually appreciate a lot of the music I used to listen to 5-7 years ago even more so than I did back then, because I've realised just how special some of that stuff really is having explored so much more of the musical world in that time & expanded my tastes considerably. Some of it may not stand the test of time - but then I would have to question whether you actually liked it all that much in reality in the first place. Personally, the songs that I always genuinely enjoyed have certainly had lasting appeal for me & it doesn't seem as though that's going to change anytime soon.

I thought the reproduced after the burial sucked


That is all


Now I am leaving