Album Rating: 5.0

Hey! I know that guy! X)

For me different accounts will always be different dudes.

Album Rating: 2.5

Hang on, did you not know this Doof was the same DDD?

Album Rating: 5.0

He just wrote more universal songs than Black Francis, Thurston Moore, J Mascis, Mark Arm, Paul Westerberg I guess - it's just what it was, we can debate it but it's already in the history books.



Timing and exposure played their part but I still think the writing was that bit different to what had come before. Cobain being humble/faux humble about his influences doesn't really change much.

xxxtentacion writes more universal songs than Father John Misty.

Album Rating: 5.0

Your point is lost on me.



I like this I don't think I like xxxtentacion.



You are asking what made Nirvana more different and/or special than the 80s forebears and if they should be considered pioneering - this doesn't add to the debate lol

xxxtentacion's lyrics are more relate-able to most people than Father John Misty's. My point is it doesn't matter.

"they should be considered pioneering - this doesn't add to the debate lol"
Exactly, appealing to how universal the message of the songs were is wrong. It has nothing to with musical evolution.

Album Rating: 2.5

Writing universally relatable lyrics isn’t necessarily a positive, in fact it can make music appear generic & lacking substance or intrigue. I guess this depends on your perspective but it’s how a significant amount of pop music is marketed & also where it (often) fails.

Album Rating: 5.0

"Hang on, did you not know this Doof was the same DDD?" I did lol but it doesn t matter. What matters is that these discussions are not changing anyone positively unfortunately. I use this to improve my experience with music I don t get, didn t grew with etc...and of course to share how awesome are the things I like lol or learned how to like. This is intelegent ppl attached to egos sharing their stubborn opinions lol that aside I love you all x) tks to all of you I now love thrash, dm, BM, sludge, Doom, post punk and so on...I grew with Nirvana and they teached me how simple music could be so disturbing (not on a bad way)...perfect to learn some chords and still make you feel special.

Album Rating: 5.0

'Exactly, appealing to how universal the message of the songs were is wrong. It has nothing to with musical evolution.'



Good music doesn't necessarily have much of a link to musical evolution though - music could evolve into something awful at any time and frequently does!



Scaruffi I've always said rates innovation above anything else, hence almost always rates debuts and early albums higher. I don't agree with that at all - innovation in and of itself is no indication of inherent musical quality.



I love refinement albums and I'm not ashamed.

Album Rating: 5.0

Universal message isn't quite the same as universal appeal either.



I think I'm just saying Nirvana appealed to more people than Sonic Youth and the Pixies and I get why, and personally I also agree they were a band who had a much bigger impact on me and even now I consider the two 'big' Nirvana albums as 'better' than near enough any other 'alt rock'.

"Good music doesn't necessarily have much of a link to musical evolution though"
" innovation in and of itself is no indication of inherent musical quality."
Agreed, but I'd say the best music usually does. The majority of albums praised by critics and sput/rym are original.


I have heard this all before, why would I bother listening to this again?" +
this music just reminds me of other bands, why would I rate this as high as the album that creates it's own special universe that I visit every time I listen? are thoughts that have great effect on how I rate music.

Album Rating: 5.0

I'd say popularity of musical forms does have a massive and frequent times pioneering impact on musical evolution but I might leave it here - until next time on the great Nirvana debate ;D

We will continue when sandwich inevitably bumps this thread in September

Album Rating: 5.0

There's nothing like Nirvana

True, but everything is unique. There is nothing like Doofus Wainwright - Are Shit
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Album Rating: 5.0

Not everything is this special though, and keeping it as simple and raw as it can get.



Whats your take on Bleach guys? Only more recently I came to get that that one is anything but grunge. Does it have some sludge there going on or what?

"Not everything is this special though,"

Agreed, hey I never claimed Nirvana were nothing original at all. I just think they are not THAT original.

I think Bleach is crap bar a few tracks. Yeah it sounds more like sludge and hardcore. Closer to their roots and the underground, which means cooler to some.

Album Rating: 5.0

Maan I do love Bleach...I m so sad you don t feel my love buzz...

Album Rating: 4.0

Most underappreciated part of this album (or any Nirvana album) is Krist's bass playing, some of the most catchy and memorable bass-lines I've ever heard

Album Rating: 4.0

RIP Kurt.



Worst Nirvana but still rules.