Album Rating: 4.0
Well Aberdeen Washington is awful. Trust me
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Album Rating: 1.5
I love these ratings
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"adding in Cobain's charisma"
what are you talking about?
"weaponising the live performance "
I have heard numerous times that they were awful live. The band would frequently turn up wasted.
" dominant sound on the planet...writing probably at least ten of the most successful"
Popularity is a stupid metric for success.
" but great bands transcend the generations and it’s clear to me these guys only seem appreciated by the ‘90s crowd"
This is also dumb. There are countless great bands of the past that are unknown amongst newer generations. Also Nirvana are still hip with teenagers.
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"Radiohead were around at the same time & very few people dare to question their lasting impact on music."
I would, and I think very very few groups/individuals have a lasting impact on music. Perhaps Phil Spector? I don't think it matters.
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Album Rating: 5.0
Ghandi, Cobain was walking charisma come on, and 100% it is a factor in artistic expression (I mean Jim Morrison without charisma would have just been a berk)
Shit live? yet a shed tonne of live album releases, way more than most other 90s acts you could care to name. Plus, the live versions nearly always sound excellent to my weak ears.
Success or consensus in general is a damn fine metric of whether something MIGHT be of value.
Sometimes Scaruffi'ing a band like this a la his 'Beatles essay' just sucks all life out of everything but fair enough, I do it with other bands no doubt - Nirvana seemed like the embodiment of 'rock band', of purity of spirit, for three years. That's it.
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Album Rating: 5.0
Radiohead were ‘just another band’ to start with. The bends was a bit overblown and lacked the punch but was loved by many and rightly seen as a classic but as an impactive shake up of youth culture nah. Nirvana were it. There’s been nothing like it since.
Everything else has been product, or honed performance or a flash in the pan fad, or want for something that can’t be imitated.
Nothings carried the vital ingredients nirvana had including 99% of acts that were around at the same time.
Nirvana were the culmination of everything that had come before and drew a line underneath it.
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i admire your old-as-fuck backwards-ass traditionalist schtick zak
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Album Rating: 5.0
Better to have lived and loved than to have been born after the 80s to be honest tbh tbh
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Album Rating: 5.0
I know you’re jealous.
I can honestly say with all sincerity ‘it was better back then’ more real, less pretence. Every second was lived not absorbed.
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Doof how does them being charismatic and good live add to your argument for being pioneering on a scale that matches their popularity? You point about Morrison is true but I'm not sure charisma is that important, or always important, in expression. There are many with a huge amount of charisma who produce forgettable art.
"Success or consensus in general is a damn fine metric of whether something MIGHT be of value."
This is true, yes.
"Sometimes Scaruffi'ing a band like"
I will reuse this phrase.
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Album Rating: 2.5
The ‘90s crowd’ comment was clearly bait Ghandi, I just don’t see what makes this band special once you separate them from the initial social impact they made... admittedly if that’s your only metic for greatness then yeah they ARE special.
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Album Rating: 5.0
This ain t forgettable tho
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Album Rating: 5.0
Nobody thought they were shit. People might not have liked it but absolutely everyone understood it.
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@Deftone Agreed.
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Album Rating: 5.0
Why Doof don t have this rated?
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Album Rating: 5.0
Ghandi - I was more looking at something that lifted Nirvana above their 80s alt peers, and Cobain being both a charismatic writer and performer is a big one imo
I would always argue any artist taking a niche or underground sound and then turning that into a mainstream phenomena is pioneering in the truest sense - doesn't always result in the greatest art in every instance obviously, but sure it's pioneering
Pioneers don't invent every tool they use to be a pioneer - a pioneering scientist doesn't have to be the first person to ever build a lab, a test tube and wear a white coat otherwise 'they're just copying', you don't have to start from a point of zero knowledge.
You just forge new territory whatever that may be. Alt rock/'grunge' shaped into songs with this universal appeal was definitely pioneering.
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Album Rating: 5.0
DDDeftone - it's 5d on the banned account
https://www.sputnikmusic.com/user/DoofusWainwright
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Album Rating: 2.5
Doof is actually a nice person who doesn't rate the same album from different accounts.
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Yes, innovation always comes from reinterpretation. There is no tabula rasa piece of art devoid of influence, I never claimed otherwise.
I just fail to see how what Nirvana did was taking the underground into a radical new context like, for example, slint did on Spiderland that same year.
There are a few moments that I think have undoubtedly original musical ideas but they are only moments. I will always revisit this band to see if I gain a new perspective on things. But as for now I remain unconvinced.
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Album Rating: 5.0
Haha - I certainly didn't used to be a nice person then
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