"In the eastern provinces, the Armenians were subject to the whims of their Turkish and Kurdish neighbors, who would regularly overtax them, subject them to brigandage and kidnapping, force them to convert to Islam, and otherwise exploit them without interference from central or local authorities."

I accept that, but if you use that argument you can't say the hollocaust was bastardized, plus what zaruyache said. There were tons of genocides by christians

Dude we set up schools for native kids and basically kidnapped them and forced them to learn English and how to act white and worship Jesus, and that was only a little over a hundred years ago. And we definitely DID use religion to drive them out. They were godless savages, after all.

It's a bastardized view of the religion that caused it. The same reasoning can be applied to the Holocaust.

"none of which were recent times"

Does it really matter? did the Bible changed that christians now are different?, no, christians changed. Same goes for islam, the problem is how people approach to it, not islam itself

Yeah, you already covered it Sach, but I didnt see him acknowledge you.

The Old Testament is worse, but The Holy Bible is such a large and self-contradictory book and Christianity as a religion is much more open to secularism and it has been tempered by the progress Western society has made. The Quran and Islam can't say the same thing for many different reasons. The bottom line being that there is justification for killing non-believers and yourself in the name of the faith and you have to do theological acrobatics as a Muslim to ignore. The Quran is a much more straight-forward and less self-contradictory book than The Holy Bible. And it doesn't help that this modern form of Wahhabi Terrorism has become contagious directly because of the funding in every Muslim-majority country from Saudi Arabia's oil money since the 70's. So yes there is a mixture of timing and geopolitics, but if it were Christianity as the majority religion in the Middle-East and anywhere else where you can see extremist Islam in action (i.e Nigeria, Bangladesh, Indonesia), yes you would have very similar and barbaric human rights issues and backward theological justifications for anti-semiticism- it would be the bane of the modern world. But you would not find this awful sharia law or jihadism where the act of killing yourself and innocent children in the streets of Paris is literally the best use of your life.

You'd be more content just waiting for the rapture

*sigh*

I more or less agree entirely with OvDeath, MrSirLordGentleman, and deathschool.

Futures, I am struggling to really understand your point or where you're even coming from? You can sugarcoat your religious intolerance and ignore the obvious prejudice you're oozing, but at least try to add depth and intelligence to the conversation. Resorting to insults and copying, pasting, and then writing "ok" or "lmao wow" over and over will only get you so far.

Also, no one really likes a Nazi apologist...

how have i defended the nazis in anyway whatsoever?

i mean saying the armenian genocide wasn't religiously motivated is a flat out lie

it wasn't religiously motivated, it was religiously related, it isn't the same. For the third time I'll use the bosnian war as an example of the same situation with the opposite roles (oh and the bosnian war was in the 90's, is that old enough? or it needs another 400 years so it can be allowed?)

"i don't see a christian or jewish controlled genocide. and don't use the nazis as an example. that was bastardized."

Subtle, sure.

@futures by criticizing tenets of islam you are, according to reddit, a nazi apologist

Sure it was, but it doesn't mean that it represents Islam as a whole.

i never said it did man. all i'm saying is extremism is much more prevalent in islam than any other religion.

ok i gotta stop. gettin too crazy

geeze this thread

cant we just criticize ideas that are dumb or ideas that promote violence and harm, regardless if its religious or not?

"It's a bastardized view of the religion that caused it."

lol no it isnt, have you ever read the bible?