Album Rating: 3.5
Agreed. Plenty of artists can pump out groundbreaking records when they're young, penniless, ambitious and wanting to change the game. Hard to do that 2 decades later after years of success, money etc.
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Really? Part of the reason so many musicians were innovative was because they sang in a way that wasn't thought possible or play an instrument in a way never conceived. In terms of rap Kendrick sounds different then anyone else before him,
disagreed so hard. i mean it can be like that. but rapping in a distinctive voice is hardly a game changer. that lends to him being able to see what works and doesnt work well as well. you can hear all of his influences in his flow, from 90's rappers to modern rappers.
and that's in a genre flooded with people who all sound alike.
most untrue thing
Also, all the hand examples you picked are for the majority exceptions to the rule and you make it seem like it was easy. If it is so easy to combine all these elements why haven't more artists done it? It's not easy and most of all it is risky as hell. Look at Kanye, he took a risk on Yeezus and it didn't pan out as he wanted; he could have release MBDTF part 2 and kept the train rolling.
...the examples i used literally make up the entirety of his discog lol. and they have done it. he doesn't combine all of the elements i said on the entire album, its each song. the flylo thundercat stuff has been done before by flylo and thundercat. the hip-hop meets thom yorke has been done by flylo and before him UNKLE did it with trip-hop in the 90's. the jazz rap has been done for 2 and a half decades. concept albums in rap... well take your pick of any the majority of the most famous 90's hip-hop albums and most of them are concept albums. you make it seem like im undermining his genius as a musician when im actually giving him a huge compliment, just saying he's not succesful because he's an innovator, he's successful because of something else. you dont have to be an innovator to be a genius.
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And let's not forget, producers like Flyo and Thundercat are popular but far from making the music of the public. same with jazz influence, very popular with the classics but very few rappers have included that within the past few years. His new record took a lot of risks.
lol flylo is very public and jazz influence has never stopped in hip-hop, there are literally hordes of 90's worshipping hip-hop groups. go listen to clear soul forces they are the epitome of that. and taking risks =/= innovating. nothing you are saying is proof of him being an innovator, its just defending kendrick of things i never accused him of.
Is Kendrick a true innovator? Probably not but let's not say he completely lacks any innovation and just followed some simple equation of add elements A + B + C = Best Album of All time.
never said he completely lacks innovation, i just said innovation is not what makes his albums successful. and obviously i dont think he subsrcibes to A+B+C=best album of all time since i literally just spent like 3 paragraphs of my life explaining how he is a genius at taking all of the things that have worked best in hip-hop from its inception til now and packaging it neatly in an album.
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Album Rating: 3.5
I guess we receptively disagree and don't see eye to eye.
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well if you opened your mind to the fact that im complimenting him instead of refusing to believe that this isnt an insult you might agree. i dont know how u can disagree when u have provided no evidence of his success being built around innovation when you pretty much agreed that everything he does has been done before except that he has a voice that you think is unique
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Album Rating: 3.5
"well if you opened your mind"
Woah, a little heavy on the condescension when I was trying to play nice and go our separate ways.
Honestly, we're agreeing about the same thing but with different semantics. I consider it innovative if you decide to go off the beaten path and do something contrary to what the mainstream and influences of the present suggest, even if that means tapping into ideas and techniques already present and done successfully. Being an innovator is not just about coming up with fresh ideas that no one has ever thought of or attempted before, it's also going against the grain of what the majority and what success usually points towards. Ford revolutionized the world with the assembly line, but I guess they weren't innovators because everything they implemented had been previously done.
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not being condescending at all im just saying you seem to be rejecting what im saying based on some principle of belief instead of any sort of actual empirical evidence to the contrary of anything i said. i wasnt calling you closed minded, was just saying that you aren't considering what im saying with an open mind.
I consider it innovative if you decide to go off the beaten path and do something contrary to what the mainstream and influences of the present suggest, even if that means tapping into ideas and techniques already present and done successfully.
but innovation means to do something new with ideas or processes and so the fact that what he's doing has been done contradicts that. mainstream music isnt the sole measure of comparison for all music, thats preposterous.
Being an innovator is not just about coming up with fresh ideas that no one has ever thought of or attempted before, it's also going against the grain of what the majority and what success usually points towards.
by this logic then every musician of our generation that doesn't make pop music is innovative.
Ford revolutionized the world with the assembly line, but I guess they weren't innovators because everything they implemented had been previously done.
terrible example. ford was the first person to install an assembly line for mass production of cars. that had never been done before. definition of innovation, new idea, new process.
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kendrick makes successful albums by combining the elements of a myriad of old ideas and old processes (some much older than others of course - some of these are as little as a year old) into a fresh modern take.
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Album Rating: 3.0
the lampshades on fire video is sweet. they nailed the coyotes video too.
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Ford Cosworth
Cool.
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Album Rating: 2.5
Death Grips >>> T Swift stop being wrong pls :|
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Album Rating: 2.0
Cyg, you know the Grips are within you.
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Album Rating: 3.5
Second half is great but album still leaves me wanting more.
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Album Rating: 4.0
good thing a Part 2 is coming then.
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Album Rating: 3.5
Who knows what that will be like. Good be a great thing or could be a disappointment.
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Album Rating: 3.5
If the entire album was as good as the second half, this would be a solid 3.5.
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Album Rating: 3.5
Agreed. I plowed through MM's discography today at work and I forgot how much I enjoyed We Were Dead, which is much better than this.
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Album Rating: 3.5
Agreed it's definitely better
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Album Rating: 3.5
It's boring tbh.
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Album Rating: 3.5
More interesting than this though
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