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"modernized subconscious impressionism"



The only impression vaporwave is making on me is that it's bad. and doesn't exist.

and what fallacy exactly is hype falling victim to by expressing this opinion ever wise thales?

The only impression vaporwave is making on me is that it's bad. and doesn't exist.

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This does not resemble impressionism (art or music style) and it has nothing to do with the subconscious. Maybe in some roundabout way where music can touch us, but the link is tenuous and can be applied to a wide variety of music.

I also disagree with the association with surrealism since Vaporwave in no way touches the subconscious/unconscious (heck it barely sees itself as the result of anything remotly human). Still the analogy with Dada is very well founded and I can easily see Vaporwave as a far far away continuation of Dada (Duchamp not recognizing himself as the author on a few of his works for instance) as well as collage experiments in general.

In the end though I really think there's no need to differentiate Plunderphonics and Vaporwave just because the source material is slightly different, the idea remains the same doesn't it?

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Are you saying it doesn't touch the subconscious/unconscious because it simply doesn't sound human? Who says music has to sound human to reach those levels? Some of the most in-human sounding music (ie: Autechre, Jakob Ullmann, Deathprod) has managed to reach the subconscious/unconscious even more-so than more normal and contemporary sounds because people seem to forget that foreboding feelings like "cold", "complex", and "death" are actually very human qualities, and its when artists like these are bold enough to explore that kind of territory when our subsconscious/unconscious is truly explored.

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In that case. If you can name three artists of other genres who achieve that how is this quality unique to vaporwave?

No that's not what I'm saying, it's not a question of sounding human and reaching the subconscious/unconscious of our minds but of expressing it. Surrealism's creation method cleanses itself from logic and consciousness through automatic writting for instance, where the writter puts himself in a mental state in wich everything wrotte must end up being the direct expression of the mind. thus it expresses the unconscious.
Vaporwave has explicitly in many cases affirmed itself as a product of a big unity of mechanized entities or the result of a vomiting and difformed version of the internet's ghosts, and to me it's source material isn't the mental and human unconscious formulated by Breton. Thus it doesn't express the unconscious/subconscious or at least in a very different way (opposed even) to surrealists

I'm not saying that Vaporwave doesn't sound human and therefore can't reach our conscious/unconscious/subconscious. I'm saying that the approach Vaporwave is taking isn't human (or a least that what I've understood from it's "ideology") and therefore doesn't express subconscious/etc but that doesn't mean it can't reach it. See what I mean?

"In that case. If you can name three artists of other genres who achieve that how is this quality unique to vaporwave?"

Why should it even have to be unique?

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It should have been pretty clear that Macintosh Plus and Memorex Dawn also fall along those lines. I mentioned three other artists that represent a more drastic measure of inhuman music to prove that, even if music sounds inherently inhuman like Macintosh Plus does, it can reach those surreal levels (even more-so that contemporary sounds).

Hum was that post a response to me, Thales or both?

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I understand what your saying, but how is the process of manipulating something that is pre-existing

not human? We've been doing it since the dawn of time, constantly refining and building upon pre-

existing thought and technology until it becomes something completely new and unique. I think that's

very human.



That last one was to Thales

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"Why should it even have to be unique?"



I'm seeking a definition here and all I'm getting are bits and pieces that are either inaccurate

comparisons to dated art traditions or qualities that aren't unique to vaporwave.

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I have a feeling, Thales, that you cannot and will not ever find what your looking for here. You've continued to debate with people endlessly and, while it's brought up some interesting points and discussion, your still sitting here unfeathered by any of it. It's time to go now and just......y'know......enjoy yourself.

"I think that's very human."

agreed! and that's one of the things I can't understand about Vaporware, if it's so definitly human, then why does it do everything to pretend to be inhuman?

Also I'm affraid we're still slightly on a different page since another clivage appears now: "the process of manipulating something that is pre-existing".
Surrealism doesn't really manipulate the pre-existent, it can't, because of its objectives and concept it holds little to no control (and that's the magic of it in a way). I could also argue that the subconscious/unconscious isn't necessarily pre-existent but that's another very complicated story. Surrealism and Vaporwave just don't go together imo, but I'm probably being fussy tbh.

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someone shoot this nigga

i'm on it

ghost boy pt2

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I asked for a concrete definition of vaporwave and none of you are willing to provide it.

man can i get a concrete definition of why you're dumb

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If its defenders here are unwilling to define vaporwave I can only conclude that your convictions in

it are not as strong as you claim them to be.