plus theres nothing wrong with a little bit of cheese every once in a while.

just looked up the term "dutch rudder" on urban dic that is funny

Album Rating: 3.5

trying to figure out where to start with these guys, dont know the genre well either, but i love anything with intelligent lyrics

stokes just counted up the number of dutch rudders hes received from fellow pth fans

Album Rating: 3.5

Lost Ground







DO IT NOW

come to think of it most defeater fans on this site would probably be down to give the complimentary dutch rudder or two

Album Rating: 3.5

Yeah lol, not a hardcore guy by any means, but I've been really into skramz and a little bit of newer post-hardcore lately. But I haven't exactly delved into anything like Defeater yet, I'm actually looking for a few bands to check out if anybody would like to recommend some

Album Rating: 3.5

haha, Ive noticed that sputnik is really obsessed with this band,, for christs sake, 3 4.4's? i just feel like I need to check them out. For a while ive been searching for just ONE, just one fucking screamo/hardcore album that really sticks with me that I can 5, but I havent found it yet.

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kerouac rules too

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well, I'll have to find some band. Out of all the screamo/post-hardcore emotive shit ive listened too, besides Converge cause their more metalcore, the best I've found has been a tie between Suis La Lune and either CTTS or Envy. But I really want to get to the more hardcore side of things, maybe Ill find my 5

Album Rating: 3.5

I have been exploring Screamo. I really like Funeral Diner, Envy, and Kidcrash.

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^

wow bro, I love all those bands. Funeral Diner really only hit me with The Underdark though, which is just awesome, but i dont like their other stuff. Envy of course is insane, alot of their stuff sounds the same but it's all great. and kidcrash is fun as fuck I love Jokes

Album Rating: 3.5

ive never even heard of floorpunch, have to check that shit out

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Dangers - Anger is cool too.

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i heard thats also boss

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Yeah angers is great. ill give kerouac a listen since I haven't heard of them.

i dont get the comparison to eighteen visions cuz last i heard from them they were a crappy rock band and this band is supposed to be hardcore. granted, i haven't actually heard anything from this band but it doesn't seem right...i don't know

18 visions used to be a hardcore/metalcore band for their first 3 albums. I basically mentioned them
because they set the blueprint for the whole fashion scenester thing. there was no direct comparison
to defeater as a whole, i was just saying that there's a new resurgence in the punk scene that's going
back to its roots instead of courting the warped tour crowd. i was saying defeater are part of that
resurgence so to speak.

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Just got my package pre-order today, and its awesome

"come to think of it most defeater fans on this site would probably be down to give the complimentary dutch rudder or two"

This is probably true as well.