Refused The Shape Of Punk To Come
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altertide0
November 5th 2016


3026 Comments


this really wasn't ahead of its time tbh


I agree. It's a great album, ultimately, but the innovation/pretension ratio is laughably low. I don't think it would be half as revered with a normal title.

Artuma
November 5th 2016


32828 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

they borrowed a lot from the nation of ulysses but this is still one hell of a ride

altertide0
November 5th 2016


3026 Comments


it's better than nation of ulysses

Cygnatti
November 5th 2016


36399 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

agreed. but maybe it's not "ahead of its time" in the sense that it's actually innovative (bc i don't think it very much is). but i do think it deserves that phrase considering how many have followed them afterwards.

also i do think the pretentious album title is fitting - as is all the praise it has gotten, even if both are rather overblown.

altertide0
November 5th 2016


3026 Comments


you're probably right. i guess the blame should be put on ornette (that bastard!) - because of him, i expect a revolution from everything titled "the shape of... to come", rather unreasonably so, as you point out.

Well at least it's not titled Free Punk

Futures
Contributing Reviewer
November 5th 2016


17288 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

i still have heard nothing that even remotely sounds like this and yes that includes nation of ulysses

Cygnatti
November 5th 2016


36399 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

yoooo i'd be interested in a "free punk" alb

altertide0
November 5th 2016


3026 Comments


@Futures have you heard nation of ulysses eps? They even have a song called "The Sound of Jazz to Come"... Other than that what about Fugazi - Red Medicine/End Hits, and Unwound - The Future of What/Repetition? True, there is no band that sounds exactly like Refused (at least before Refused), but mix the above ones, maybe add Rage Against the Machine (for aggression) and some dance interludes and there you go. Don't get me wrong, shit's still pretty original etc., but The Shape of Jazz to Come? Nah.

@Cyg yeah me too

owen
November 5th 2016


5146 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

yoooo i'd be interested in a "free punk" alb


because free-jazz/punk hybrids don't exist...

altertide0
November 5th 2016


3026 Comments


they do but not in a 40 min double quartet quasi-jam format. at least i've never heard of one

Cygnatti
November 5th 2016


36399 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

call me a bigot but jazz-punk hybrids tend to be less than impressive imo

...unless u talking about the last 3 tracks on funhouse, of course.

Cygnatti
November 5th 2016


36399 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

this album is like a combination of: "a product of its time" and "right time; right place". a lot of variables and different sounds went into this making something that could only make sense when it did, and was dropped in such a climate that it struck just the right chord, with just the right people and so forth.

not tryna discredit it or anything, in fact, i may be doing the opposite!?

AlexKzillion
Emeritus
November 5th 2016


19075 Comments


Not a big punk/hardcore guy by any means, so I have literally no idea what this album did for anything or why it's considered so ground breaking tbqh.

It just fucking rules and that's all that matters to me.

Futures
Contributing Reviewer
November 5th 2016


17288 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

true words. alex listen to fan the flames

uhh
November 5th 2016


434 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

yea 4.5 my ass



sweet edit

AsleepInTheBack
Emeritus
November 5th 2016


10745 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

It just fucking rules and that's all that matters to me [2] so much



InFlamesWeThrash666
November 6th 2016


10625 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

That riff in Refused Are Fuckin Dead though

facupm
November 6th 2016


12094 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Rules. Jamming tight now

facupm
November 6th 2016


12094 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

WE WANT THE AIRWAVES BACK

Valkoor952
November 6th 2016


4896 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Liberation Frequency actually kind of bores me.

Worms rules tho



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