Rosetta debut is very good and worth a peep
And Turner's cred declines at this point bc he thought that Sumac had switched things back on the right track. He was half right bc ITAOT was fairly palpably the least inspired ISIS, but it saw them transition into a far more organic band chemistry-wise, and that side of their craft carries this in a way it could never have carried Panopticon or Oceanic
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Album Rating: 5.0
They've been on my list for some time.
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Album Rating: 4.5
And Turner's cred declines at this point bc he thought that Sumac had switched things back on the right track. He was half right bc ITAOT was fairly palpably the least inspired ISIS, but it saw them transition into a far more organic band chemistry-wise, and that side of their craft carries this in a way it could never have carried Panopticon or Oceanic
Totally agree. He went wayyyyyyyyyyyy to frantic, free flowing jazzy on American Dollar Bill and I guess tried to right the ship with May You Be Held and Love in Shadow. Self title debut by Sumac is where it's at. He will never touch anything he did with ISIS ever again unless he finds the same chemistry he did with his ISIS bandmates.
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Album Rating: 3.5
Sumac was on the right track for their first two albums.
Chemistry does do this album some favors but not so much the one before it.
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fwiw that comment was mainly in reference to early Sumac, and i do respect the effort to get raw again, even if it wasn't a patch on ISIS and is p clearly an overreaction to this album/ITAOT's perceived failings
i fuck with Keiji Haino and have been meaning to give the collabs some proper attention, even if i'm still sceptical about the pairing on paper (Aaron Turner is all about drawing clear outlines and then shading them more creatively and/or intricately than anyone else in the game - Haino operates best outside of structure entirely)
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Album Rating: 4.5
I reckon Love in Shadow is a really good Sumac release too, but yes, I cannot get around the Haino collabs in anything other than a conceptual way. It’s not that I “don’t get” improv or jazz (I played in a jazz band for four or five years at one point), but that they really just seem like intellectual / cerebral exercises I can appreciate but don’t really get me on any visceral or emotional level.
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cannot comment on those (have heard a couple of songs but they didn't sway me either way), but the early shit he did with Fushitsusha is a definition of visceral improv. absolutely foul guitar manglings anchored in the bare minimum of (if you're lucky) blues motifs - took the foundation of Les Rallizes Dénudés, turned it nasty and spilled his guts all over it
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Album Rating: 4.0
Love in Shadow rules
May You Be Held has like 3 actual songs and Consumed is solid
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Album Rating: 4.0
also, well-said Johnny
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Album Rating: 4.5
@Azazzel - "Probably laid eyes on you"
At the risk of doxxing myself I won't reveal what band I was in, probably enough already in this thread to do that. But if you were going to metal shows from '06 to '10 in CoMo I was either there or playing it myself, guaranteed.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Damn bro nobody cares you were in White Rabbits smdh
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Album Rating: 3.0
As if CoMo is a read place
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Album Rating: 3.5
"Sumac was on the right track for their first two albums."
Nah, Love in Shadow and May You Be Held are amazing. I like how he brought some of the heavy aspects of early ISIS and fused them together with more progressive song structures and Free Improv moments altogether. Definitely, some of the most exciting music Turner has crafted in almost a decade of SUMAC's inception.
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Album Rating: 3.5
They are OK.
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Album Rating: 3.5
They are great and people don't really pay attention to what they are doing, which is a shame because I think they have come up with their unique brand of "Sludge Metal" that is difficult to replicate.
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Album Rating: 4.5
i fuck with Keiji Haino and have been meaning to give the collabs some proper attention, even if i'm still sceptical about the pairing on paper (Aaron Turner is all about drawing clear outlines and then shading them more creatively and/or intricately than anyone else in the game - Haino operates best outside of structure entirely)
Even I can admit when some of my favourite artists have their head far up their ass....that was a prime example. Good description of how Turner writes music, far from his creativity on that pretentious disaster. And Sputnik, please don't come flying at me that the album was the least bit enjoyable. I will kindly ask you to remove your head from your ass as well.
Love in Shadow rules
Yes!
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Album Rating: 4.5
I wish i could get into Sumac but it misses a lot of the trademarks that made me love even the more primitive stuff like Celestial
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Album Rating: 4.5
And yeah yeah Celestial is not as primitive as Mosquito Control etc.
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Album Rating: 4.5
Even Isis more "primitive" albums are still miles better than anything Sumac has put out. Just can't repeat the past.
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Album Rating: 4.5
I for sure won't disagree with you on that
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