Netanyahu has refused ceasefire agreements that would bring home the hostages for a year now, they're talking about cutting off all aid to the northern half of gaza to starve out whoever is left, tens of thousands of children dead. Just keep repeating the facts, zak will always look insane next to them.

Stop harping on about the last 5mins of this shite.

Diplomacy has gone out the window time and time again.

Israel refusing ceasefire agreements. I’m not surprised, they’ve been through the wringer for decades while continually having negotiations thrown back in their face while ceding to Egypt and removing themselves from Gaza.

People were saying it years ago, there will be a mass humanitarian crisis the blame of which will be put solely at Israels door.

Israel are dodgy as fuck and orchestrating elements of it, the misinformation from both sides is awful but in the grand scheme of things Israel are not the ‘enemy’

It’s all about the caliphate, the Islamic takeover of the area and eventually the world. The key is Jerusalem, it’s what the whole thing is about.

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Zak have you seen the 'unedited footage' (of Oct 7th) Douglas Murray keeps referring to? His opinion is Hamas are 'much worse than the nazis' because he states at least with nazi soldiers usually showed a degree of remorse killing other 'civilians turned soldiers' whereas apparently the levels of glee and sadism in this footage is off the scale with the Hamas 'fighters' on Oct 7th, and that's over dead civilians and children.

I think some of them Nazis thought it was all a lark as well and took pleasure in furthering the final solution.

Again a context of the modern age, people including myself taking about this stuff when none of us have a clue.

My very own grandad bayoneted by a genuine Nazi in WWII all just whisperings on the breeze now.

No wonder history repeats itself.

Holy shit doof descending into clean wehrmacht posting is not the mask off I was expecting

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Fowl - I'm effectively quoting Murray, I haven't seen the footage myself, you fine gentlemen have got me actually looking up stuff now goddamn you all



Zak - yeah my grandad had a very bad time in Burma, most of the lads he got to know after being called up died in the war, a lot in front of him apparently

Mental isn’t it.
I look back at my Grandad and just think Christ Almighty you poor sod.
One of them personalities that have dwindled away. Larger than life, funny as fuck and just took absolutely no shit whatsoever.
WWII solider mentality I suppose.

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Ah, my dad said it destroyed the bloke, came back totally different - as a kid I was oblivious to all that sort of thing, he died when I was 15 or 16 I think. I never chatted to him about the war.

Murray is a racist who desperately wants Europe to remain "white nations".

My step-dad was so scarred from shit that happened in Nam he would always sit away from windows in restaurants and if he couldn't, would get paranoid and constantly look over his shoulder.

Granted, either the vietcong or the US Government attempted to kill him when he was on vacation in Hawaii, so I'd be Paranoid too.

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'Granted, either the vietcong or the US Government attempted to kill him when he was on vacation in Hawaii, so I'd be Paranoid too.'



He didn't know which? That sounds an uncomfortable life

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'Murray is a racist who desperately wants Europe to remain "white nations".'



Murray does seem to have gone deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole...I think his homosexuality definitely influences him, but he seems to have now made hardline Islamism his mortal foe for obvious reasons related to his sexuality. It probably colours his opinion a little too much at times but again I'm no scholar in knowing everything he's said in the past.



It was more that this footage existed and his descriptions, he could be lying but also it would be easy to prove he was lying - by someone else watching the footage and picking his comments apart. I'm literally only delving deeper into all this stuff now, tbh I'm on holiday in four days time which will call an end to reading or watching anything else to do with the conflict for a while.

‘Murray is a racist who desperately wants Europe to remain "white nations"’

I just think he speaks out on the incompatibility of some cultural differences, the changes that have occurred and the upsurge of resentment and division that has been created while questioning the necessity of it all and to a large degree he is absolutely spot on.

zak with the most pathetic takes ever in this thread whodathunkit

(not talking about the music)

To what degree mate?

>it’s all about the caliphate, the Islamic takeover of the area and eventually the world.

You are genuinely a pathetic racist.

I didn’t just make it up

It’s in their manifesto from the 80s. Ayatollah of Iran decreed it years back and absolutely nothing has changed.

Look up Khomeinism

Plus it is also an interpretation of what occurs in a very little read book nowadays called the Bible.

> incompatibility of some cultural differences

> israel has been through the wringer for decades

Palestinians are being slaughtered by Israel (as they have been for decades) and you’re parroting islamophobic conspiracy theories and theoretical incompatibility of cultural differences based on some idea you think you have of Islam

The only incompatible culture is Zionism with any notion of humanity

You being a police officer makes so much sense. Genuinely get to fuck.

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"it’s all about the caliphate, the Islamic takeover of the area and eventually the world."

"Plus it is also an interpretation of what occurs in a very little read book nowadays called the Bible."



zak the latest parts of the Bible were written approximately 500 years before Islam even became a thing. even for your low standards this is just embarrassing