Album Rating: 4.5

if you think that deafheaven at any point in their career have been regarded as trve bm, you might wanna do some fact checking



deafheaven caught an insane amount of flak, as much as liturgy, when they blew up with sunbather



'but other BM is fine in this regard? lmao'



yeah, watch the hunter interviews before they dropped their 2010 album, you'll understand what I'm referring to



most bm bands regardless of their brand don't market themselves in such an obnoxious and hubristic manner when it comes to 'pushing genre boundaries' or releasing something 'truly revelationary'

Album Rating: 4.5

in fact, I'd argue that deafheaven's share of lambasting and castigating comfortably exceeded that of the other blackgaze bands - new bermuda was basically born out of the collective's grievance to prove that they could write 'trve' riffs too



liturgy on the other hand got swiftly meme'd on and brushed aside

Album Rating: 3.0

"if you think that deafheaven at any point in their career have been regarded as trve bm, you might wanna do some fact checking"



well done for completely misinterpreting my point, lol



my point was you definitely weren't comparing the two for musical reasons, so it must be the whole "not trve" shit, which is the SAME as Deafheaven, not different (because otherwise, why compare the two?)



but yes you seem mad about stuff that isn't actually music related as you have now confirmed, but I'm grateful for this clarification

liturgy rulez

Album Rating: 4.5

'ahh, so you're saying Liturgy aren't "trve BM" therefore bad - i.e. the most ridiculous possible reason for hating on anything... because there's 0% chance you're actually comparing Liturgy to Deafheaven in any musical sense'



this is what I was replying to



deafheaven and liturgy do have some stylistic similarities, you'll be silly to deny that



and where did I ever say Liturgy aren't trve bm therefore bad - sounds like a poorly constructed strawman on your end



Liturgy are shit because their music is shit and their pretentious facade only gives me extra reason to dunk on them

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

whoa i thought the only things pika could say were 'pikapika' and 'yeah'

Album Rating: 4.5

deafheaven is the ultimate case of anti hype on this website other than circle takes the square

Album Rating: 3.0

"and where did I ever say Liturgy aren't trve bm therefore bad - sounds like a poorly constructed strawman on your end"



where you brought up Deafheaven for absolutely no reason, a band that as you quite rightly pointed out was accused of being 'not trve' (yet you applied the opposite interpretation to my wider point)



and I don't think Liturgy are much like DH at all, if you ignore the outside / cultural context surrounding those artists, which again, was my point. I was saying you can't be comparing them musically, and therefore have an axe to grind for different reasons



"whoa i thought the only things pika could say were 'pikapika' and 'yeah'"



this alone was a victorious moment, lol

Album Rating: 4.5

speculating that the main reason why I don't like liturgy has nothing to do with their garbo music is some mad cope

Album Rating: 3.0

"it's their whole moronic transcendental shtick exacerbated by some of the worst guitarwork in the genre



it's basically what if the guys at deafheaven were door-to-door essential oil dealers"



"worst guitar work" is the only part of this that's actually relevant to the music... so who's really coping here? This is how we started off

Saw this hardcore band Wounded Touch live the other day and they gave a shoutout to Frail Body. Not sure the exact connection. If you like this though might be worth checking out Wounded Touch as well, they apparently toured a bit together last year.

Album Rating: 4.5

Demon, in 'transcendental' I was referring to both their pathetic and laughable attempt at a sound they have had poor command of, guitarwork included, and their image predicated on fooling folks into thinking they actually have something special going for them



for clarity, I wouldn't mind the latter if they hadn't been fucking up the former so hard

Album Rating: 3.0

isn't that what BM's very foundations are built upon? You can't get much more trve to those roots than ludicrous ideologies and dodgy musicianship

Album Rating: 4.5

you could argue that for most non-mainstream metal



it's not a trait exclusive to bm at all

Album Rating: 4.5

Not only is liturgy absolute ass and one of the most pretentious bands I can think of, the band leader is from an oil tycoon/NFL team owner family… it’s about the closest thing you can get to “landlord black metal”

Album Rating: 4.4

Liturgy is awful and are not similar to Deafheaven like at all and even if they were who cares??? Why is this even being talked about in a fucking Frail Body thread?? Who even gives a fuck honestly?? Lmao

Album Rating: 4.5

landlord black metal lmfao

Album Rating: 4.4

Thats actually one of the most accurate descriptions I've seen tbh.

Album Rating: 5.0

I like Liturgy’s music but I know I’m in the minority there lol. Don’t care about any of the transcendental mumbo jumbo though. But yeah how about we talk about how great Frail Body is instead Scaffolding into Berth is such a goddamn ripper for the opener.

Album Rating: 3.5

I like Liturgy’s music but ignore the nonsense that is the philosophy angle behind it, and the claims that it innovates in ways no one else has. I engage with it only as loud stupid glorious plastic maximalist riffs.