does nobody else see how slimy it is to even say the word "fatphobia" earnestly

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That MV was probably focus grouped to death and still caved under public scrutiny

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At the end of the day, I don't particularly like the song so as far as the music video goes, I probably would have never seen it had it not been brought up in this conversation lol.

@colton lol I genuinely do not see that and yes I would love nothing more than for u to convince me of ur stance here

I explained before but it's basically their way of co-opting the experiences that groups that are actually marginalized experience, as if people being mean to you for eating too much is in any way comparable to people who are attacked or murdered for being gay, trans, muslim, etc. a lot of the "fat activists" on social media make the argument that fatphobia is "rooted in anti-blackness" so that they can further blur those lines and feed into their victim complex even more. then they tell their audiences of impressionable kids that diets don't work and that being fat is not bad or indicative of bad health, actively discouraging people from taking control of their lives and feeling empowered to improve themselves

basically the term "fatphobia" implies what fat people go through is comparable to homophobia, transphobia etc when it's very clearly not

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Yeah, I'm not sure I follow, Colton. =/

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Ah no. I don't really agree with you there, Colton. The ridicule and abuse people feel for their weight is very real.



I don't think we should be comparing trauma like it's a race, anyway. Everyone's pain is valid. I'm sure people probably think the same way about my struggles with GAD. Like, oh that's not as serious as cancer. Obviously it isn't but it's still very difficult for me to deal with, you know?

I was obese for a large chunk of my life. got into shape when I was 14. the last thing I needed was people telling me my lifestyle was perfectly fine and that I didn't need to change, and I certainly never would have used language that in any way insinuates a connection to homophobia or transphobia or any other sort of group that's discriminated against for reasons they can't control. I agree that it's not a competition, but a lot of the people claiming fatphobia genuinely do believe their experience to be comparable to those groups I mentioned, and will continually make those comparisons

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Just because words share a suffix doesn’t mean they are equivalent in that way. I would say describing the word fatphobic that way actually does more of what you’re saying, ironically

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I don't really see it as being about change but stigma. It's fine if someone wants to change their weight but it's not a decision I think other people should be making or worse, mocking people over.



Like there's a difference for me being told my levels of anxiety aren't helpful to me vs. saying I'm completely delusional and imagining things.

I don't think we should mock people over it either. would support anyone who makes that claim. but when you start telling kids diets don't work, they shouldn't even try and being fat is perfectly okay, it becomes some really sinister shit

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Just to stay with what I'm referring to. I would have seen fat phobia as a prejudice towards larger people. As in, like discrimination, right? I don't mean like giving out dietary advice.

yeah that's what it means. I'm just saying that people who habitually preach about "fatphobia" tend to believe those points I made about diets not working etc. anyone who says otherwise is bullied out of it, the same way they bullied Taylor here. and that's relevant because it shows what their true intentions are. they don't want to help anyone, they want to drag people down with them

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Oh man, I dunno if I'd say everyone feels that way. Then again, I'm not on the Twitter.coms where I'm sure there are people with all sorts of bad information about... well anything, including dieting and how it works.



You can find all sorts of people on Twitter who say all kinds of stuff.

I'm only very passingly familiar with this subspecies of activism but from what I can tell it's largely about raising awareness of weight-based discrimination in the medical world (apparently many doctors are pretty eager to prescribe weight loss and nothing else to overweight patients with unrelated health issues) and attempting to combat food deserts and help people who may not have the means to "just eat healthy"

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That makes sense to me. I feel a similar way about anxiety. Prescribing medication really isn't enough. You have to tackle the underlying mental health aspect.

it may have started out that way but these ideas I'm describing have become much more common

I also have a really hard time believing that there's an abundance of doctors who are lying about people's health issues being a result of their weight. doctors aren't infallible, they're human but they are trained professionals who obviously know what they're talking about more than the average fat person with no medical education. if a doctor tells you your weight is causing health problems he's more than likely right

anxiety is not comparable though joe. it's much more difficult to find a solution for that, whereas the solution for being overweight is very simple, it's just difficult for a lot of people

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I can't really speak on it because I have never had problems with my weight. So I don't know how simple or difficult it is, to be honest.



What I will say with anxiety is that it's a very cyclical issue. You can be given the tools to deal with anxiety but it's like a cyclical addiction. It's very hard to train your mind out of that way of thinking. The solutions appear easy on the surface but are hard to implement for the person experiencing it.

yeah, I'm sure in a lot of cases there's no actual solution for that unfortunately. just comes down to brain chemistry. but I'm sure there's always something you can do to at least help or mitigate it

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I think for some, it's certainly a matter of living with it long-term but heavily reducing how much it interferes with your life.



I don't know how that applies to someone who is struggling with their weight and compounded by underlying mental health issues. That's a whole other story.