but it isn't now. and why is that?

Well, not because of islamic religion since it used to work but because of extremists

but can nobody admit that its easier to take a religion to violent extremes when it quite clearly promotes violence

i mean its not the same as blamin ozzy osbourne for a teen killing himself or something, even though everyone's actin like that

the armenian genocide was only a hundred years ago bro

religion provides an easy, malleable justification for evil, but I think it's poverty and a lack of access to education that causes that evil in the first place.

Implying that Turkey a century ago is inherently the same as Turkey now.

ever hear of a large amount of turks denying that the armenian genocide even happened?

I don't think you can really use the armenian genocide as an example, that's like citing the Bosnian war for muslims getting slaughtered, there were ethnical conflicts but what religions preached weren't among the reasons

"religion provides an easy, malleable justification for evil, but I think it's poverty and a lack of access to education that causes that evil in the first place."

can it not be all of them? lots of things corrupt people, money corrupts people but im not saying i hate money. there's more to this than "you either love islam or youre a racist redneck, no in between"

"fundamentalism is lower in countries with less religious privileges."

most of those European countries have good educational systems and are small enough to more easily deal with their poverty issues, and have fairly good standards of living all around. There's less need for silly religiousness when you're all well-off and happy, they didn't become happy because they were less religious. Atheism in the first world is absolutely a rich man's luxury.

"most of those European countries have good educational systems"

This. There's tolerant people on every religion, the education (or moral ideas) you get may be more important than the actual religion you believe in in this topic

the armenian genocide is definitely related to islam though. i don't see a christian or jewish controlled genocide. and don't use the nazis as an example. that was bastardized.

The silliness is when it is used for actions like these (though other adjectives are much more applicable).

The armenian genocide happened, of course, but the reasons were ethnic, not religious. Turkey didn't slaughtered Armenians using islamic arguments. Again, it is the same example as the bosnian war but on the opposite side of the spectrum

" i don't see a christian or jewish controlled genocide"

the crusades, the spanish inquisition, the mass conversion and murder of native americans... the ancient jews themselves (old testament) were a fairly war-oriented people (same as everyone else, I guess) who were openly OK with executing children, sooooooooooooooo.

In the eastern provinces, the Armenians were subject to the whims of their Turkish and Kurdish neighbors, who would regularly overtax them, subject them to brigandage and kidnapping, force them to convert to Islam, and otherwise exploit them without interference from central or local authorities.

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"the armenian genocide is definitely related to islam though. i don't see a christian or jewish controlled genocide. and don't use the nazis as an example. that was bastardized."

My lord, the hypocrisy in this reasoning.

the crusades, the spanish inquisition, the mass conversion and murder of native americans... the ancient jews themselves (old testament) were a fairly war-oriented people (same as everyone else, I guess) who were openly OK with executing children, sooooooooooooooo.

none of which were recent times. and the driving out of native americans were't justified through religion

My lord, the hypocrisy in this reasoning.


i suspect you don't know much about the armenian genocide

Sup Kris. I already tried to stop this. Hopefully, this thread is nuked, but in the mean time, I've given up.