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Sowing
Moderator
March 20th 2015


45535 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I still haven't listened to the new KL enough to know but I certainly expect it to be better than this



But Death Grips are awful

SharkTooth
March 20th 2015


15017 Comments


Death Grips >>> T Swift

Toondude10
March 20th 2015


15372 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I'd prefer this over Kendrick any day



that album was everything I expected it to be and then some

Sowing
Moderator
March 20th 2015


45535 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Death Grips >>> T Swift



Well now you're just embarrassing yourself

Toondude10
March 20th 2015


15372 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I'm not a hip hop person, that's pretty much the reason why

adr
March 20th 2015


12097 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

ugh

deathschool
March 20th 2015


29479 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

How can a man named Toondude10 not be a "hip hop person"?!

deathschool
March 20th 2015


29479 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Yes, FTI. It sucks. Trust the first person to resond and don't listen to anyone else

adr
March 20th 2015


12097 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

and the second person is important!

Sowing
Moderator
March 20th 2015


45535 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

It's pretty decent . Some awful tracks and a lot of good ones.

SharkTooth
March 20th 2015


15017 Comments


"Well now you're just embarrassing yourself"

Poor Sowing can't handle the trvth

greencorn5
March 20th 2015


369 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

We'll see if 20 years into his career if Kendrick is still as fresh and innovative as he is now. How about compare his 3rd LP to Modest's 3rd LP and see how they stack up as far as being innovative and cutting edge.

greencorn5
March 20th 2015


369 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

No offense to KL, though, his new album is dope.

greencorn5
March 20th 2015


369 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Do you not understand what I am saying? Take a look at so many bands. Their early work is loved and the stuff later in their career is seen as complacent by many. It's hard to keep coming up with new ideas, new angles, etc. that hit the mark after you've been creating for 20+ years. We'll see if KL can keep it fresh after that amount of time. There was probably a time where people thought that Outkast would always be fresh and innovative and at the top of their game. It took them way less than 20 years to fizzle out and they were one of the best. Thats the actual fuck I was talking about.

JWT155
March 20th 2015


15039 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I think that's a good point. I can listen to The Moon and Antarctica and adore it for what it's mean to me and also listen to this and enjoy this for what it is.

Lord(e)Po)))ts
March 20th 2015


70256 Comments



"We'll see if 20 years into his career if Kendrick is still as fresh and innovative as he is now. "


he's not innovative tho, he's just really good at recognizing trends and incorporating them into a package thats appealing to the modern music scene. and i mean this as a compliment.

JWT155
March 20th 2015


15039 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"he's not innovative tho"



Really? I remember hearing Kendrick for the first time and thinking he had great flow and a distinct voice different from a majority of rappers. I think his delivery is one of his most innovative qualities. And in regards to trends, he's the anti trend. If he was following trends he would have released an album full of club hits and bangers.

Lord(e)Po)))ts
March 20th 2015


70256 Comments


having a good flow and a distinct flow don't make you innovative.

And in regards to trends, he's the anti trend. If he was following trends he would have released an album full of club hits and bangers.


not true at all. there are more trends then just whats going on in the mainstream. kendrick saw how flylo and thundercat worked well with hip-hop and were doing crazy new things and got them on board with his album. he also observed that all the best hip-hop of all time has been a) heavily jazz influenced (so he got glasper on board) or b) deeply politically charged (so he made concept albums about social issues he relates to). he also knows everyone loves radiohead and saw how well thom yorke worked with cosmo so he sampled them and made one of the best tracks of his career. same thing goes for all his albums, section 80 he capitalizes on the successes of artists like outkast, good kid mad city he saw trap was trending so he threw some straight bangers on there but tied them into the concept to make a couple of the most intelligent trap tracks of all time. if you cant see how everything he does is out of the genius of being able to see where music has been and where its going, and not out of a place of innovation i dont know what to tell you, its pretty obvious. and i respect the shit out of him for it.

JWT155
March 20th 2015


15039 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"having a good flow and a distinct flow don't make you innovative."



Really? Part of the reason so many musicians were innovative was because they sang in a way that wasn't thought possible or play an instrument in a way never conceived. In terms of rap Kendrick sounds different then anyone else before him, and that's in a genre flooded with people who all sound alike.



Also, all the hand examples you picked are for the majority exceptions to the rule and you make it seem like it was easy. If it is so easy to combine all these elements why haven't more artists done it? It's not easy and most of all it is risky as hell. Look at Kanye, he took a risk on Yeezus and it didn't pan out as he wanted; he could have release MBDTF part 2 and kept the train rolling.





And let's not forget, producers like Flyo and Thundercat are popular but far from making the music of the public. same with jazz influence, very popular with the classics but very few rappers have included that within the past few years. His new record took a lot of risks.



Is Kendrick a true innovator? Probably not but let's not say he completely lacks any innovation and just followed some simple equation of add elements A + B + C = Best Album of All time.

greencorn5
March 20th 2015


369 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Well, then by that standard Modest Mouse was never innovative either. You can hear almost all of their tricks on a Built to Spill album. Anyways y'all are missing my point. If KL drops a straight up beast of an album when the year 2031 rolls around, I'll be very impressed is all I was saying.



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