If you wanted to assume that I meant the most extreme connotations that's up to you. You can interpret it as hyperbole if you wish. I meant what I said. I'm not sure why it bothers you so much.

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I'm not sure why the art bothers you so much :]

I think Jamie is right on the use of the word, but personally, I disagree with him in finding the art offensive. Amateurish, phoned in, half baked, underdeveloped - maybe one of those, but not offensive to me.

To each his own.

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I must continue to disagree, and once again insist it is disingenuous to assert that the following sentences are the same:



"This offends me."



"This annoys me."



They are fundamentally different. To say the art is so bad as to be offensive is absolutely not the same as saying the album art is annoying.

"They are fundamentally different."

If you choose to lean towards your seemingly favoured connotations of the word offensive then yes perhaps, otherwise no, not really.

You realize offensive has different definitions with levels of magnitude right? I could say this offends me as it is an amateurish attempt at representing my home state of which I am proud, though I honestly am more annoyed by it than anything. I still don't see why you care this much about the semantics

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All right, let's use your definition. In your own words, the album art is "so terrible it's almost annoying".



Now I know we're both pretty much stubbornly defending our semantics here, but wouldn't you say that that sentence doesn't make much sense when applying your definition?



[also as a side note, hopefully there is no bad blood here, I'm actually enjoying this discussion]

[also, do you like this album?]

No I would say it makes sense. Especially when you consider that my (at the time subconscious) decision to use the word offensive was in part because it encompasses a number of words I might have used to describe what the extent of the album art's "terribleness" causes me to perceive it as, i.e. annoying, irritating, objectionable etc.

And no bad blood at all.

I haven't actually heard this album but I have a mild interest in Panopticon. If anything, the album art has played a part in putting me off checking this album... (although of course it's not the only reason I haven't checked it).

That artwork is useless.

Album Rating: 4.0

This is a fucking stupid discussion.

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Yeah no disagreement there, though that's not to say it wasn't fun.



Jamie, have you heard any of his other work?

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Stupid agreed hard.

Correct me if I am wrong, Jamie, but I also think using offensive in that way is a more British turn of phrase. Considering your spelling "favoured" and my experience (not extensive but more than most Americans) of British English I think this might be a factor in the discussion at hand.

Not that stupid, language is cool guys. We are on a music review site, after all.

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Haha thanks for defending my semantic nitpicking. And that's a pretty good point about the usage of that word, since in America the word 'offensive' is so overused as to be meaningless.

I have personal experience with that, trust me. My former school and a large portion of its students are quite busy making complete fools of themselves abusing that word. Really fucking obnoxious to be honest.

Whoops now I'm a racist. See how this works? Anyway yeah I think it is used differently across the pond. Doesn't seem to have as extreme or as explicit of a meaning, at least to me.

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Okay I read up on the safe space debacle. I don't think that makes you a racist to anyone who has a reasonable definition of the word. But that's a lot of what I was driving at, is that the word (at least in America) is a kneejerk, meaningless descriptor.

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the fedora avatar fits you real well.

Thank you, I aim to prove my fedora-worth each day on this site.