i'm happy to see that man, i felt like you were too willing to jump at conclusions. but i wouldn't ever blame you, the internet, etc, crazy place. much love, gonna go to the market and get some fuckin ciggies bbl

HELLOO BUDGIE

What a shitstorm of a thread honestly

"I'm super down to put actual neo nazis in prison, any one who is a threat to society should be dealt with. But the idea of random people just deciding someone is a nazi and we are gonna lynch them? I dunno seems like that could go wrong"

I'm curious what your metric of "any one who is a threat to society" is. Is it based on beliefs? If so who decides whether those beliefs are indeed dangerous? Unless we are strictly talking use of violence/ breaking the law, I fail to see how your standard for putting nazis in jail is any different than budgie's standard for lynching them.

"Unless we are strictly talking use of violence/ breaking the law, "

This. Hate crimes etc.

got you, yeah that seems like the only reasonable take in this thread which is astounding but then not really

I should note the irony of park calling someone else a man-child is beyond comedic

I would consider, however, arguing that rallies for hate groups or ideologies that involve any kind of hate speech or overt prejudice should be illegal and subject to trial for the sake of helping put social pressure on people who purport ideas that threaten groups of peoples safety. But I think that's just an extension of the idea that punishment for hate crimes should be elevated so as to not be forgiving of crossing that fine line between excersizing someones freedom to be a dick and actually harming people / escalating the threat via grouping.

"arguing that rallies for hate groups or ideologies that involve any kind of hate speech or overt prejudice should be illegal and subject to trial for the sake of helping put social pressure on people who purport ideas that threaten groups of peoples safety"

you do realize that ideologies involving hate speech can be just as an ambiguous concept as what we just talked about right? Again, you are setting an ambivalent standard that multiple groups of people have multiple ways of interpreting and you're letting it up to the person in power to make those decisions and there's no need to explain why this is an incredibly dangerous road to go on. If those rallies would purport a call to violence directly threatening the groups of peoples safety then we're on the same page, it should be illegal and punishable.

If for example a rally were to purport the idea that trans-women do not belong in cis women's sports categories as that gives them an unfair advantage, there are many who would argue this is transphobia / hate speech. I realize the example I gave is a fringe one, but there are about a thousand other examples that follow this principle which begs the question if adopting this standard is ethical or feasible.

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best burzm

Yeah I get it, that's why I thought I might lose you there, and why I said I'd 'consider' arguing it. It's understandably controvertial but virtually any kind of action like this you could discuss in regards to this is subject to that controversy.

"If those rallies would purport a call to violence directly threatening the groups of peoples safety then we're on the same page, it should be illegal and punishable."

Yes, it would have to be dictated pretty rigidly like this or else it would be too mutable.

Another big potential red flag for the idea is the potential for the state to be able to turn it against the public, for instance, deeming rally's against police for police brutality as a threat to the safety of police as a group... no explaination for the implications of that neccessary.

dat bump

"i just listened to track 7 randomly & it was not good"

10/10 thread

like i’m not having any of this dungeon seduction sir varg

should i also listen to track 7 or shall i pick another one randomly?

random’s the way to go

you know what, the bit of this i heard sounded less like it was recorded in a dungeon (prison cell) than it sounded like he recorded it while chanting in some field in the middle of the wilderness near a reclusive log cabin.

in that case i’m waiting for his for emma

for emilie, who i accidentally stabbed 47 times with a piece of glass

such beautiful poetry

this should be called Mayhem Murder Mysteries