"I’m not quite sure what you’re arguing to begin with, so it’s difficult to launch a counter argument."

Aside from the lyrics (which I haven't looked at enough to warrant a good discussion), what aspects of Deathspell Omega are transgressive in a worthwhile manner?

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It depends how you define transgressive. It seems quite a loaded question to begin with.

Define it however you like, depends on how you view its role here. Anything from Bataillian anti-systemisation to performative contrarianism tbh.

Gameofmetal killing it in this thread

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I take it you mean in the context of the quote within the interview? If so, I don’t even think that’s referencing DsO.

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He is clearly projecting his own latent fascism onto safe targets.

"Nothing screams nobility and bravery like posting on Sputnik threads"

got em

a dedicated DsO review thread on a music discussion site is such a weird place to discuss them agreed

"I take it you mean in the context of the quote within the interview? If so, I don’t even think that’s referencing DsO."

Context of that quote affirms the value of transgression, which as I see it chimes with their glorification of 'conflict and chaos' in the creative workplace and implies that the notoriety of certain parts of their 'second circle' membership is valuable in its transgressive valence. I'm not satisfied with their basis for this, and I'd also be curious regardless to hear whether other aspects of their creative process has a transgressive value I haven't tuned into.

"He is clearly projecting his own latent fascism onto safe targets."

Gonna whizz off to the Kacey Musgraves threads for this rn brb.

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According to butterfly effect theory, this discussion will turn into nation-wide street riots against the establishment.

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'This is a great album'



'No, it's not.





Digging: Slayer - World Painted Blood'





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I’d say conflict and chaos can quite happily be mutually exclusive to being transgressive, but they can overlap. The way I read it was that they had a mutual appreciation for that kind of art and it influenced their own work, not that it was necessarily a goal for the project. If anything, a lot of their lyrics and concepts are gateways to exploring that type of art, which I think he mentions at some point.

I only fairly recently watched the Netflix documentary on Szukalski and it just reaffirmed my hatred for nationalism. It’s an emotional and intellectual dead end.

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Also despite a 100% failure rate, people still think strong men will solve their problems.

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So what's your point, deezer666?

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Johnny I think those are two separate cases and mutually exclusive. They shares the same ideal principle with Aspa regarding art does not necessarily indicates an act of transgression. At least that's what I get from reading the interview. The drummer likes to retreat behind semantics so its hard to get a clear read of the transcript for me.

"The way I read it was that they had a mutual appreciation for that kind of art and it influenced their own work, not that it was necessarily a goal for the project. If anything, a lot of their lyrics and concepts are gateways to exploring that type of art, which I think he mentions at some point."

This seems reasonable, thank you

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Is Aspa on 1st or 2nd circle (assuming 2nd)? I think that exact interview on spoken word would be super more fun! X)

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Probably 2nd

Well I must say this is distinctly un-French

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It's extremely French, as is all of their work, because it's primary influence is Georges Bataille.

Two pages late but first off Johnny thank you for the detailed reply and the conversation that followed. I would like to address your points. But although on the terrain of a counter-argument I feel like this has been explored by Aluktodolo enough.

-> Similar to what Johnny said : ignore if you don't care.

"The only takeaway from this is that they'd like to put themselves above what they perceive as sensationalist outcry"

I think a nuance should be made here. Similar to Bataille I don't believe that for this record the band are puttings themselves above the topics as to remain untainted and in the sidelines. The lyrics are not a decor here and thus the idea of this interview being their defence, even if it is easy to get angry at them for the confusing detours and lack of specifics, doesn't echo with me as I read and reread.

If anything the feel I get is that they embrace the confusion, double or triple standards, negativity, chaos, etc that ensue from this records lyrical content as well as the people who contributed to it on a musical and emotional level. The only defence and aboveness being that they don't care about the compromise of the artist that could take precedence on artistic goals. This does not equal to wanting to "transcend criticism" to borrow your expression since I feel like a shortcut has been made here. They do not adopt a stance similar to complaining about censorship of your school play as they openly did not censor themselves to begin with and did not complain about those who wished to censor them in this interview ; they did however complain about totalitarian-owned systems of censorship of the past which is different to being blocked from social media as one directly censors the work of art within itself and the other does not.

Their priorities, if self-absorbed and not ground breaking, do make sense. If anything they await criticism of the work. As they have put all the systems into place for this to be in the light and torn apart. If so then what are we suppose to criticise ?